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31  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Barrel Key In Drivers Door Jamb on: December 13, 2005, 08:48:48 PM
Why go through all that trouble to put that in and then do a hokey wiring job, go figure
32  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Why are 69s worth more than 67s on: December 13, 2005, 07:46:40 PM
The one thing I would do if I were to customize my 69 body would be to put wing windows in it. Im going to customize my side marker lights though. (no body metal change) Im surprised no one has done what I am going to do on the marker lights I will post pictures when done.

People are actually changing some 69 firebirds into camaros. Go figure the firebird is a nice enough car as is.
I was just having a whole bunch of fun with first statement.
33  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: REAR END DATE on: December 13, 2005, 02:22:45 PM
Haha that is pretty funny, We can agree to disagree. I was merely trying to point out how prevalent the copying has become. I have no paperwork on my car except a tiny corner of the build sheet. But I know for a fact it is a true car simply missing the original engine. I have traced owners back a bit and none had reason to lie. But that does no good for proof. But my date coded 12 Bolt posi says it all when shortly after banging second I am momentarily debating wether to keep counter steering or back off the throtle to keep her out of the ditch. Of course counter steering wins out every time. I wish I would spot more on the road. but I only take mine out once in awhile, I cannot drive it without constantly burping the gas. My Wife will not ride with me in it. It is such a blast. Funny thing though what matters most to me on these cars is the original shell being untouched. 
34  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 X77 code Camaro Many fact questions. on: December 13, 2005, 01:53:43 PM
Learn something new every day. Sorry for my wrong information. A whole lot of people out there believe the steering gears were different for quick ratio, that was including myself, what You say makes sense, I will have to crawl under mine to check it out. My steering whell turns 2 and barely over an eighth turns lock to lock. Although I hadn't went as far as checking my spindles evrything lookes fine but I haven.t delved into looking close Yet. Again I apologize for my previous statements
35  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: REAR END DATE on: December 13, 2005, 01:12:31 PM
I said Z/28 with 3 speed hole in floor, no Z/28s came with a 3 speed unless You know something I don't about Z/28s. And Yes back in 81 and 87 people were cloning these just wasn't as well known. And like I said no one can convince me of the originality of any Paperwork. If You give me enough money I can get You any paperwork on any Camaro. When GM will say in writing what any Camaro is then I will believe that. Untill that day the only measure of any Camaro is how much it matches the factory image and all should be sold as such. Give me any V8 non air Camaro with column shift or 4 speed hole in floor and I can Make you a Z/28. Any shifter position and including air cars and I can make You any SS model You want with as much paperwork as You would like. My point is why would your paperwork be any more convincing than anyone elses paperwork, technology, has advanced far enough that anything made in the 60's can be reproduced. Shoot by 1974 when anyone should have realized that all American Cars had turned to pieces of plastic garbage, people were starting to clone these. I should know as 69 Camaros were still to expensive for the average kid by the late 70's And by 1979 the 74 and up Camaros were a dime a dozen
36  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: New Shell Vs Fixing mine on: December 13, 2005, 12:05:20 AM
Remember everyone, the USA used to outproduce the whole World in manufactured goods. There is a reason, when You buy a Knife and its say USA on it You will pay a whole lot more than if it says China on it. But ole slick Willy decided for bribe money to Gut America. I try to buy American goods but nowadays that is real hard to do. I bought a purolater fuel filter a while back and it said made in Russia, that is insane. And it was warped at one end, I will never again buy any purolater product
37  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: REAR END DATE on: December 12, 2005, 11:48:29 PM
To tell the truth I have looked at a lot more than fifty and as POP and Build sheets and cowl tags are all being reproduced and doctored to look old. I put a lot of stock into the parts having dates that are reasonable. Any Camaro witha rearend more than a couple weeks out from build date makes me figure that things got changed. No Company or Person has such abundant storage that they would stockpile parts that are daily being assembled into cars. The smaller the part the more likely it might have an older date from getting pushed to the back of a shelf. Rearends are a pretty big item though. Engines would more likely be shoved to the back than a rearend. I dont know how many supposed Z/28s I have seen sell with the X codes and then you see a three speed hole in the floor. You could show me all the paperwork on earth and that would do nothing to convince me what You have. There are no original SS or Z/28 Cars in existence only way You can discern these Cars is by how much they match the factory image. Just send a letter to GM with Your VIN and see if they will tell You what Your Car is. Sorry to be that way but I have seen so much BS concerning these cars it aint even funny. Give me enough money and I will get You any paperwork on any Camaro.
38  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Rally Sport on: December 12, 2005, 12:00:21 PM
A picture I look at on one site looked like the metal was indented along bottom edge to increase strength. I t could have been just lines from the light housing touching the metal. is the picture your showing of an original one. Thanks for the pic I have been on a two and a half year search learning about my camaro. Seem it is a never ending thing to learn
39  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 X77 code Camaro Many fact questions. on: December 12, 2005, 10:39:40 AM
OK so can you order spindles with shorter steering arms I never see that addressed on any adds. If you cannot buy them then that is another good and quick way to spot a Z/28 clone. Im glad mine is mostly original. I have a lead on my original tranny I dont know if its going to pan out or not. If not I keep hunting for a dated case. im still trying to trace the previous owners back to the begining.
40  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: REAR END DATE on: December 11, 2005, 09:35:30 PM
67 I do not know about but every original 69 I have seen so far had a very close axle date to build date. And by 69 it is definately rare for a engine to be dated after build date but it can happen. Just very rare
41  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 X77 code Camaro Many fact questions. on: December 11, 2005, 08:37:22 PM
So the qick ratio ones had different spindles with shorter arms then. if thats the case I stand corrected.
42  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Early vin # on: December 11, 2005, 05:00:34 PM
Pretty cool to get that early of a car, be curios to see any lower numbers, did chevy keep number one or was that sold like any other camaro. Just curious
43  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: REAR END DATE on: December 11, 2005, 04:14:26 PM
Rare but it does happen sometimes, and even if someone shattered the original and somehow found one that close, It would not hurt your originality at all when you have paperwork that backs up what the car had. When you have a stamped block and different tranny and then a 12 bolt rearend that isn't close on dates, You can start banking that it did not have a twelve bolt to begin with. Even way back people understood the value of havig a 12 bolt in their car. I would rather have a mismatched engine than a mismatched 12 bolt.
44  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 X77 code Camaro Many fact questions. on: December 11, 2005, 03:33:42 PM
Oh and by the way the quick ratio steering makes for a much more pleasureable driving experiance. Unless you like to take a quarter mile to change lanes on the freeway.
45  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 X77 code Camaro Many fact questions. on: December 11, 2005, 03:24:37 PM
Still have to quite disagree on that, the SS and Z/28 cars came with a quick ratio steering box. 2 and a quarter turns compared to up to four turns or so on plain jane and other cars. Now think about it for a little bit and do you really think a longer or shorter pitman arm is going to make a drastic change in lock to lock turns. unless maybe you you can fabricate some oddball really long pitman arm. Draw it out on paper if you need to see the lever principle in action. The turns lock to lock is dictated inside the steering box not by the length of pitman arm. One of you Camaro guys out there has to know this also.
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