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76  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: are cowl and trim tags painted on: April 12, 2013, 11:12:43 AM
Thats a version of the guy with the poor eyesight story.  The only problem with that theory is that it was done post paint line, since that is when the body black on the firewall was painted onto the tub and the white e=overspray would have to of occurred after that, either in the trim shop, or even later as it went over to GM.  At the point the cowl was painted black all of the options Fisher had to add to the car were complete except the color and style of the interior.  There would have been no reason to even glance at the cowl tag at that point, since the interior would already be on the line in the sequence that the bodies were coming down the line.  And not every car has it.  I'm not a beleiver.
The only thing GM needed to see on the cowl tag (or the BBC hanging on the car is the body number, since that was the tie to the original dealer order that defined what options went on the car untilt GM assigned a VIN to it.  After that, there was no info anyone on the GM side needed. 

I've seen them as early as 11C in 66 all the way thru 06C in 67.  A lot in the 03C thru the end of the year, but intermittent thru out the rest of the time.  Not every original one has it, but its hard to tell if others that have had spraybomb engine compartment restorations have it.  They definitely had paint applied here and there and figuring out why is what is called RESEARCH.   There doesn't seem to be any obvious option associated with it, like every custom interior car got it, or every vinyl top car got on, or SS's and Z28's got it.   They also started doing it for a reason, and quit doing it for some reason, as there are none in 68 or 69 with white paint on them.  What changed in the process, again research, not anecdotal story telling.  I don't know why they did it, but I do know it did Fisher no good, by the time it was painted.


I have alerted some of the Norwood retirees to this thread and we have talked-so....How about you be my personal guest at the Friday Night Panel discussion where assembled before you will be Engineers, Managers, Production Superintendents, and Line personnel.     

Perfect opportunity for you to tell them exactly how things operated at the plant - that they operated.

Seriously--I will give you a seat right up front.  This will be an expanded event and I am sure you will enjoy the experience.  Grin  So let's correct the record on how production ran and the line operated how about it Mark care to take us up on it?
77  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Stamping Tool for VIN on Block & Trans on: April 07, 2013, 06:50:24 AM
Several on the Pilots in 1967 were 283 equipped.
78  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: It's Baack-----2014 Z28 on: March 31, 2013, 01:46:34 PM
And every Z28 engine cubic inch designation since 1970 was a corporate level engine that also was used in the Corvette too.  This included even the 305.   305 was the base Z28 engine in the early 1980's and also used previously in the Corvette as well.

The LS-7 in 14.. I love it and the car!   The Z28 changed with the times through the years and even when they were poor performers in the early 80's - odds were that everything else was the same or worse.    Gee with  '14 we have a factory Z06/LS-7 engine now coming to a Camaro-- and BOY I want one.   

79  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: It's Baack-----2014 Z28 on: March 31, 2013, 07:24:24 AM
Scott Settlemire has some personal comments on the 14 Camaro that provides fascinating insight as to how GM internally makes decisions, on one hand to try  to pay tribute to the first generation Z/28 through the new for '14  model by drawing an over emphasis in the (/) as the defining point--that in his case that the new "Z/28" is indeed pure from a heritage point of view.

I would have to admit that I disagree with quite a bit of his opinion - and I think that the new 427 drivetrain is more of a departure from the original intent of the first generation Z/28 in much the same way the new for 1970 model was....anyway here are the links. to his comments.    I still like the car but his comments in the first two posts below leave me scratching my head.
80  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: It's Baack-----2014 Z28 on: March 27, 2013, 05:46:00 PM
I like it.  I like the fact that I do not have to take AC if I don't want it.  The hood is not exactly what I would like to see - but it is today's performance technology designed to reduce lift at high speed. 

Faster track laps than the current ZL-1 too.   What is not to like....

I am getting one Smiley
81  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Order status "Echoes Of Norwood" on: January 31, 2013, 06:56:22 PM
Thanks!    Got your order.  Additional paper has arrived and the next print run is being scheduled now. 

Books ordered in the first print run are on schedule to ship by the 4th.
82  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Order status "Echoes Of Norwood" on: January 27, 2013, 02:16:33 PM

Should be exactly the same.  The issue is that the paper I am getting is special order from a vendor with a lead time and I simply did not get enough as I underestimated the pre-order volume on the book.
83  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Order status "Echoes Of Norwood" on: January 27, 2013, 10:46:57 AM   (no comma this time)  Thanks!

On the paper- you have to be picky with the paper you use along with the weight and the fiber direction.

Paper and tight micro fiber makes a big difference when you are looking at the fine detail in photographs and how it prints out. 

It all looks good at first glance but when you put a magnifier on it to examine the fine detail you can really tell.
84  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Order status "Echoes Of Norwood" on: January 27, 2013, 08:04:59 AM
As many of you probably know I have written a book  documenting the history of the Norwood Ohio GM Assembly Plant.   Pre-order sales have vastly exceeded my expectations so –We did the math and calculated that we actually ran out of the first batch of the special paper that will be used for the initial print run with this past Friday’s listing of orders. 

All books ordered after 1-25 will ship as part of the second paper order which should only delay shipment by a few of days at the most.

As of right now all orders should ship either at the start of the week of February 4th or if part of the second paper batch- the end of that week.     

Ironically John Z’s order  will be the first book printed on the second batch of paper.   Thanks for the order John! Smiley

85  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: GM gets bailed out, then goes to China?? on: January 24, 2013, 09:27:46 AM
China.... I had several major publishers after the book but in the end all wanted to print and bind in PRC.  I said NO.

100% made in the USA at:

86  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 9204 booster 03D Norwood info needed on: January 06, 2013, 11:35:47 AM
Survivor Norwood Z-11 05-A Build checking in.     9204 Booster dated March 13th (072)
87  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals Show Nov 17 & 18 in Chicago on: November 20, 2012, 06:11:53 AM

I bumped into him in the elevator and we discussed the car I think that would be a great car for a Friday night technical group discussion-perhaps next summer-we will see.... Smiley
88  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Does anyone sell original style (R59 & R89) battery cases - empty? on: October 09, 2012, 06:15:17 AM
I did one a few years back an an R-79 battery case that was OEM and dated to match my car and the tooling to make the reproduction was out of service and not for sale-so I got tired of waiting.

It can be done-but the work is not for the faint of heart. 

First you have to recover and neutralize the battery acid with water.  Next place the old battery upside down and flush it with water again.  Check the PH to verify that the rinsate is neutral.

Remove the bottom of the battery case with a cut off tool at the bottom seam.  You need to make multiple cuts here as the bottom is secured by internal plastic reinforcement panels so it will come off in pieces. 

Now with the bottom off -"break" the battery internally by using a hammer and bar to remove the interior plates which you will need to literally fracture (or grind up) I used a drill and a large bit here- the content which is removed then may also need to be neutralized-check your PH. 

What you are left with then is an empty shell with seperate plastic compartments-which held the plates which then need to be removed too, a Dremel with a smaller cut off wheel works here.

The now empty display case will have internal prongs connecting to the original posts that you can drill holes in to mount your internal jumper cables to-that you will also need to fabricate. 

An OEM replacement battery for a Mazda Miata is perfect as you still retain enough weight for the ride height and still keep the CCA needed to spin the engine over.  Be sure to use a set of terminal covers on the new battery to insulate the connections.

Plan on 8-10 hours or so to get this done. and wear the right PPE for working with Acid and be sure to protect the case exterior from abrasions while the work is ongoing.

I use this arrangement for shows only and would recommend disconnecting your battery when when in storage or in transport.
89  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Looking for pictures of 67 L48 engine on: September 12, 2012, 05:13:55 AM
There is a bunch of original/restored L-48 photos posted over at the site (67 pace car trust) look in the tech and resto portion of the forum.
90  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Daniel on: July 25, 2012, 05:09:49 AM
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