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601  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: FBODY Gathering on: April 07, 2013, 02:40:10 PM
Dern. I miss Atlanta. What a place to grow up. Stuck in lo-po Delaware now.
602  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Black paint on rocker question. on: April 07, 2013, 04:40:30 AM
Great pic. Just what I was looking for. I wonder how different each car was or were the rockers sprayed they same way every time? 



Attached below is a photo of the factory paint on my rockers showing what has been stated about the rocker paint...
603  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Black paint on rocker question. on: April 06, 2013, 04:15:50 PM
Thanks William. Been wanting to find that out for a while. So my X33 should have blacked out rockers. I just saw a pic of a Lemans Blue SS with the blacked out rockers but it looked too overly done. When the rockers were sprayed I thought I had read somewhere that the rockers were not painted completely underneath and the lip underneath mostly got overspray. Is that correct?


Style Trim codes are X11, X33. With the exception of the darker colors noted these cars would have black rocker panels. Black rockers were also part of SS equipment; X22, X55, X66 would also have them.

The Cortez Silver Z/28 in question is X77 and would not have black rockers.

The COPO notation is incorrect; had nothing to do with trim.
604  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Black paint on rocker question. on: April 06, 2013, 01:28:13 PM
Yeah I read that. Ok. Mine is an 69 X33, has all the exterior brite trim. Non RS, no deluxe interior just standard 711 interior, has the pedal trim and the rosewood trim left and right of the column and the steering wheel shroud and has the dash grab handle. With that trim should or shouldn't my car have the black rockers? I'm assuming the X77 did not get the black rockers based on these pics, correct?

"Body sill black-out paint was applied to Z22 (RS) cars in 1967 and 1968, and to Z21 (style trim), Z22 (RS), and COPO 9560/9561 cars in 1969."

http://www.camaros.org/exterior.shtml#BlackoutPaint


Unless the car you are looking at has one of the options listed above, then it would not have the body sill black out. It is not a COPO or a Z22 RS car, and I do not see any of the Z21 exterior style trim (bright wheel opening moldings, bright drip moldings (coupe). Fender pinstriping (67 & 69). Bright belt moldings (68). Rear fender louvers), on the car in the link. I would say that no the body sills should not be black out and should be the same as the body color.
605  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Black paint on rocker question. on: April 06, 2013, 07:04:42 AM
Was checking this car out since the ebay auction stated that it was original paint car and noticed that in the pics I don't see any black paint on the rockers. IF this a is an original paint car would the plant actually miss painting this? Would this happen? My car is a Cortez Silver car with maybe 3 repaints but the rockers were never repainted and am curious if I should add the black or leave it off.


http://www.ecarlist.com/showroom/2999/photos/7204593#08
606  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Restoring emblems on: April 05, 2013, 08:16:00 PM
Lay them down on top of something really deep dark black, as black as you can find. I bet they will stand out brilliantly.


I have some new GM Z28 and RS emblems, purchased in 1976, still in their boxes.. never used..  if it would be beneficial to photograph them?
607  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: TO: CRG members What year Camaro(s) do each of us own? on: April 05, 2013, 03:45:04 PM
 Hey guys great starting point. Might be a good idea to have marked the poll first gens only since this is a first gens only website, but just by virtue of what's listed it's obvious.  Is this based on what we currently own only? I have owned a 69 SS350 from 74 to 79 and would still have it if I didn't get orders to go to the UK when I was in the USAF. Also had a 79 Z28 350 4speed in 95 IF we are counting them in the poll.
608  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: M55A oil pump question revisited. on: April 05, 2013, 02:03:49 PM
Hi Mark. Been a while since we chatted last. I was going after the Melling Select 10553 until I did more current reading online. All the info online is so really old and needs to be updated somehow. Probably still lots of people out there that are afraid to use the M55A. I'm gonna give a go. The pump in the 350 LT1 engine in my car now has only 4500 miles on it. I'll have to see if it's a new or old unit. May even us it. This engine has my 302 oil pan and tray on it. No problems what so ever and it's seen 6500 RPM a few times. It's been a while since I drove the car so I can't remeber what the oil pressure is off hand.


You might just use a stock oil pump and add the GM high pressure spring.  It is something like $4 and it makes sense if your pump is still good.  Most pumps have very little wear and they have a known good casting.  Just a thought.  Don't buy in to all the hype.

-Mark.
609  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Park Light/Turn Signal Housing - Interior Paint on: April 05, 2013, 01:54:12 PM
Sorry fellas. White on the front lights and silver on the rear bucket insides. My bad.
610  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Restoring emblems on: April 05, 2013, 01:52:02 PM
Was lacquer used?
611  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 smallblock (302) Oil dip sticks on: April 05, 2013, 01:47:41 PM
First week 06A


Member            Production            Dipstick
                    Plant       Week           Type

jdv69z            NOR        10(68)        flat
firstgenaddict   NOR       10D (68)     flat
LatebuildZ         ??         Nov(68 )     green tip
68CamaroZ28  NOR       11 (68)        green tip
Boston14        NOR        11D (68)     flat
z28z11           NOR         01C            flat
JOHNZ            NOR        02D            flat
Hans L              ??         04B             flat
X77-69Z28      NOR        05A             flat
RSZMJT          NOR        06A             flat
69Z28            NOR        06A            flat
BULLITT65      NOR        08C             flat
69Z28-RS        NOR        09C             flat
LatebuildZ       NOR        10C             flat

612  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Park Light/Turn Signal Housing - Interior Paint on: April 05, 2013, 07:26:03 AM
Not sure what factory used but I'm thinking it was close to argent silver? I have read some using aluminum color spray can paint and white, too, but mostly a brite silver color probably would work.

What was the factory paint finish inside '69 park light/turn signal housings? I have an original set that are pretty rough inside, and seem to have the remains of a white-painted finish, looks like it may have been gloss; is that correct?
613  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Restoring emblems on: April 05, 2013, 07:21:00 AM
I wonder what the GM vender used? Enamel or? Was the paint actually glossy or flat? I've never been close enough to look at a Z28 emblem brand new and never exposed to the elements. My originals look fair for the age and paint looks sprayed on. Masking the Z emblem for spray will be a nightmare.


Gary,
I recently ordered a couple of 1/4-ounce jars from Testors, as my emblems were painted by the original owner, and I want to restore them. I chose enamel paint, just because I thought it would (should?) prove durable..... FWIW, I chose code 1103 (red) and 1146 (silver), but may well find these don't match once I start..... especially the silver, 1146 is a metallic and may not be a good match.
614  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Restoring emblems on: April 04, 2013, 10:18:41 PM
That helps a little., however, I'm looking at what type of paint were the emblems painted with and if anyone has mastered applying the paint. Looks like a very tedious job to get this done right. What's the best way to strip the paint? How should the chrome be prepped before the paint is applied? I was thinking maybe using the Testors model paint. Years ago when I had my 68 Firebirds I painted the Bird emblem on the gas tank door of one of them and then applied layer after layer of clear acrylic paint and let it sit for a day for each layer to fill in the bird head and wings flush and it came out really nice. Looked like factory. The Z28 emblems I want to do are definately going to be a challenge.


Look at THIS.
615  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Restoring emblems on: April 04, 2013, 05:02:05 PM
Hey guys, what's up? Anybody ever restore any of their emblems?
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