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376  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 69' Z28 on eBay in DB ? on: September 13, 2013, 08:39:20 PM
Gary, you got me droolin' man. Your Vette is saaaweeeet!!!

When I first looked at that ebay Z I thought it was glacier blue. I actually like the color that it looks like it has. Different.
377  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Did all 69Z28 cowl induction breathers have a flat bottom ? on: September 12, 2013, 07:05:03 PM
I think there are examples of late 69 Camaro's without the flat bottom.


That was impression I got as well. I have all the GM parts for the ZL2 set up on my Z except the breather so my wife got me a repro from Ricks in 2001 for xmas and it has the ridge on the bottom. I thought I heard somewhere that the repro's where a copy of the late 69 model, but that info was from 12 years ago. I would like to get a flat bottom breather but they are hard to come by and very expensive from what I have seen.
378  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 69' Z28 on eBay in DB ? on: September 12, 2013, 06:11:01 PM
Damn, looks like a better version of mine. No clock and no standard steering wheel though. I like it.
379  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Re: '69Z 302 - current header recommendations please? on: September 12, 2013, 03:05:43 PM
I couldn't say what brand of header I had on my Z when I first bought it, and I still have them hanging on the wall in my garage, but I  purchased a repro lower lock out rod from Rick's in 2001 and it fit with no problems and had pretty good clearance. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say headers are headers no matter who you buy from and what coating is on it, at least for the street I would think. I don't think the exhaust gases really have any idea what they are going thru. I had so many problems with changing spark plugs and burnt spark plug wire boots I just yanked mine out and said forget this. I kind of like the day 2 look with white headers myself, if I was to change my way of thinking on headers, but I don't think I'll do that anytime soon.

I was looking thru some of my notes from the past few years and at one time on the Team Camaro site some members where going for the Summit 1 5/8", part# SUM-G9001-9 header. I haven't looked at them for a while but I think those are fairly decent and are coated I think and were going for around $210.00 last I looked.  
380  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: PTB on Los Angeles Camaros on: September 12, 2013, 02:21:43 PM
i have stated this before, but here it is again.   my family owned and operated a chevy dealership for many years, and i asked my father about this, jerry has met my dad so he knows i am not making this up. he told me those damn things washed off the first time you cleaned up the car for PDI.  not really paint probably some water based stamp. they are very seldom seen in real life just another goofy bull thing like the fan sticker stated above.

Well, I might have agreed with you before I went out to my car and checked ...  Smiley    (Personally I hate to see those 'unknown' paint marks all over a freshly restored car..  my theory is that NO ONE knows what many of them mean, and most restorers are simnply following the 'monkey see' monkey do' rule..  Smiley

Anyway, after seeing some info here and on TC about the PTB mark, I was examining my firewall one night a week or two ago, and sure enough, I saw a faint PBT (in green) just above and to the right of my brake booster...    I took a photo of it, but don't have it where I can post it right now.   Note:  I bought my '69 Z28 (norwood car) in 1976.  It has sat in my garage undriven (*un-anything) since 1980.  It has never been restored....


And to add to what Gary said, if you don't see, or can't find those stamps on your car, how do you really know what color they would be if you follow the monkey see monkey do mentality? I have yet to find any P T B stamps on my untouched 69 Z. Sometime in it's life the firewall was dusted with something black and I don't have a clue what to use to remove it so I can investigate more.
381  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: First Ford Mustang sold to public story on: September 12, 2013, 01:38:06 PM
All I can say is WOW! I can only assume the first one built is still in Fords hands? Neat bit of auto history. I was 11 years old then.
382  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1111499 Distributor Question?? on: September 03, 2013, 08:24:27 PM
Next step is Mount Laurel, N.J. Anybody close?
383  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1111499 Distributor Question?? on: September 03, 2013, 05:56:48 PM
Al. I'm glad this worked out. I still would be curious about who and how it was rebuilt/restored.
384  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1111499 Distributor Question?? on: September 03, 2013, 02:54:07 PM
Kind of like beating a dead horse because it sounds like the OD hasn't been worked down, but it is important to measure across the diameter right at the stamp.


Yes, kind of why I was saying something about offset cutting the body only on that side of the body.
385  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1111499 Distributor Question?? on: September 03, 2013, 01:54:52 PM
Hey Al. We must have been typing this at the same time. It seems to me your 499 is untouch in that regard. Not sure what else anyone would need against that visual. I would think at this point the question would be how did it get so clean.
386  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1111499 Distributor Question?? on: September 03, 2013, 01:44:00 PM
Actually that would be 3.815-3.813=0.002 and 3.800-3.797=0.003
387  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor" on: September 03, 2013, 11:44:03 AM
Man, I like that car with the flat hood. The 2 things I wish was on my unrestored Z, the flat hood and original paint. Somebody will get a nice car IF it sells. The economy sucks, at least where I sit. I would like to have it.
388  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1111499 Distributor Question?? on: September 02, 2013, 09:55:20 PM
My take on this is what is obvious. If the body was turned on a lathe just to get the original numbers off it would be smaller in diameter. As deep as those numbers are stamped, a lot has to be removed. That is one flag. If it was offset turned, the rotor would hit the inside of the cap as it went around to all the contacts on one side, another flag. I would just get the dimensions and compare the hell out it and a normal untouched piece or like I said, some sort of template That would settle all kinds of things.

Yeah, whoever rebuilt and/or restored that 499 over did it and I agree with you Steve to leave well enough alone. With the way the high rollers restore these cars and the money they drop in them, sooner or later somebody is going to realize that somebody created a too perfect a car. How do you know what somebody put in it in money is even real. As imperfect as they were in the beginning, they need to stay that way when they get rebuilt. 
389  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1111499 Distributor Question?? on: September 02, 2013, 07:15:41 PM
Is there a way to find the person who "restored" that 499? I would like to know his method of cleaning. If the dimensions are correct for it compared to an untouched distributor, then wouldn't the next step be how did it get so clean looking. Yes, the stampings look pristine, but how did it get that way? Is it possible to offset lathe a distributor body? That might explain the fresh looking stampings. How about some kind of template that goes around the surface. If it was offset that should give some indication that it was tampered with. IDK, it seems like a lot back and forth going on with this thing on all the websites and it would be a crying shame if the damn thing was real and got thrown out with the trash because everyone thinks it's a fake. What the heck is happening with our hobby? Seems like we are all becoming divided and have made 'Hobby' a bad word. Just my thoughts.
390  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1969 DZ BLOCK OR NOT... on: September 02, 2013, 05:54:02 PM
This is a good topic.


I would want to find a DZ block to at least say the car had one. Finding one as close to the build date of your car to me is just the thrill of the hunt for the original. Mine is gone, so I found one that is extremely close and have it sitting, all together and ready for me to get off my lazy ass to install it. Well, that's not entirely true, I'm not lazy, but I keep looking for my original in the hopes that if I ever do stumble across it I have something I can make the switch with. I don't ever think it will happen, but, you never know. I bought my block cheap around 2002, but today with the blocks/parts being held hostage for a hefty ransom, which to me really stinks, I'm ahead of the game money wise.

On the Camaro that is a Z28 or not a Z28 without the engine, IDK. There's a lot of people who think a lot of different ways and have a lot of different views. For me the Z was built a certain way,  not the same as the plane jane Camaros or the SS Camaros. I'm in the middle on that I think. If you lost the engine and had to put in another to drive it, be it another 302 or 350 or a straight six, isn't it still a Z28? From day one when that first piece of metal was spot welded to the next piece of metal and so on that car was destined to be a Z28. Some people think it's the engine that makes the Z28, of course it does, but what about all the other Z28 specific parts that made it a Z28? This is a subject that will be debated on as long as there are people on this earth to debate with.

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