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376  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: DZ302 scam block? on: September 28, 2013, 11:58:25 PM
Yes they do. I haven't used UPS much these days but have used the Local P.O. because it's close. I sent a pair of 461's to Maine about ten years ago, one made it there the other didn't. A few weeks later I got a call from the guy in Maine and he told me he got the other head. The box was all torn up at the end, the heads were complete when I sent them but that one head had 2 springs, retainers and keepers in a separate bag and the head looked like it was mangled in some sort of machine, probably a sorting machine. He put it all back together and nothing was wrong, but it was a tense situation.
377  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Solid lifter valve adjustment 69 302 on: September 28, 2013, 11:48:59 PM
Like Gary says. I don't touch mine until I hear the odd rocker clatter sound. You kind of get use to hearing a certain sound when the adjustment is right and if one gets loose it's really easy to hear it. That's a good time to check all the clearances then. I think the book says around 12000 miles, but I'm not sure, this could be just average everyday driving without putting any stress on the engine though, I wouldn't think it would be that far out. Others here will probably add something to this, especially if they are diehard solid lifter fans. I know I am. Some people do it often because they are OCD too. I know a few local guys that do it just to do it, because they don't have anything else to do. LOL.   
378  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Just checking... on: September 28, 2013, 11:31:47 PM
It kind of makes you wonder if they are in it because of greed or are they trying to provide for their family. I've see the same people on ebay trying to sell the same stuff for the same prices for the past year or more. With the economy like it is these folks need to wake up and smell the coffee, unless they have and that's why the prices are so high.
379  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Just checking... on: September 28, 2013, 10:53:36 PM
Would anybody pay this much for this alternator? Seems a bit high even if it would be a good date for somebody that could use it. Kind of puts these out of any kind of range for me.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Alternator-1100837-1969-Camaro-Nova-Chevelle-Z28-69-/190900127078?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2c7288c566&vxp=mtr
380  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: how about this one on: September 28, 2013, 10:33:17 PM
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=207776    Go over to "TC" and read the story on the 69 Z/28 Barn Find. Very interesting story and good reading if you can put up with "Motorman's" attitude.

FYI..  'Motorman' (Clem) is a great guy, and knows more about cars and engines (especially performance) than probably any 10 of us on this site..   He 'developed' that 'attitude' due to his belief that he was being called a 'liar' some some parties, or not knowing what he purchased, when he knew damn well what he purchased.   He told me about that car (along with John Z and others) several years ago, well before this issue came up on TC and here.   I'd advise Clem to 'let it go' and people will come around, because his story is correct and anyone who isn't 'color blind' can tell that even from the photos that were posted on TC.   and I'd adise others to give Clem some credit, and not get on his case.   HOW would you react if someone called you a liar or a 'no nothing' in a public forum?



 HOW would you react if someone called you a liar or a 'no nothing' in a public forum?

Knowing myself as well as I do?...I would probably just chuckle and call them an idiot. I always say you can't judge a book by its cover and a lot of people I've run into think they know something, but they don't. Heck, even I don't know everything, but I would never call anyone a liar, seen too many people wearing a fist in their eye in my lifetime.
381  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: DZ302 scam block? on: September 28, 2013, 09:15:26 PM
Thanks Rick. That's really all it takes. As the saying goes, 'you can take a horse to water but you can't make him drink'...or something like that.

I do have someone looking to purchase it actually...as of a month ago anyway. He's in California I believe. His job has him tide up the last time we emailed each other. I actually have the block and the crank. He's been trying to figure out the best method to ship this across country and for me to get it there safely or not get it lost or stolen.
382  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: DZ302 scam block? on: September 28, 2013, 07:39:28 PM
There were definitely some 512 blocks used in production, most right about this timeframe.
Block is real.


Kurt, your always backing me up on this block, now why don't anyone believe it?
383  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Kick panel speaker grill question. on: September 28, 2013, 02:33:28 PM
That's a big difference. I'm getting the ones I have are for the Impala so far. I haven't heard anything on if they are good for the Chevelle yet. So, they must not all be the same then. Thanks Darrell. The taper from one side to the other, I wonder if the reproductions are like that. I have thought about trimming them to match the Camaro grills but I have no idea what it would take to match them.
384  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: DZ302 scam block? on: September 28, 2013, 02:23:37 PM
Something that has been bothering me for some time now is why was this block even used for the particular car it was assigned to. Doesn't make any sense to me. I have had a least a dozen or so people wanting this block for the dates, but when they hear 512, they run the other way. It's a shame. The block is just sitting in the corner all bagged up and I can't bring myself to use it for anything else. Even if I bought all the internals particular to the DZ engine I bet I couldn't sell it even then. I'm not even asking big money for it either. I could use the cash for something I need for my Z and I was thinking I could even trade it, but nothing so far.


Anybody have a 1100837 alternator dated 9 E 23 that would be interested in a trade?
385  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: DZ302 scam block? on: September 28, 2013, 01:17:08 PM
Gary is your block #3959512 A 302? I can't find that number anywhere? Chevy by the Numbers, or Jerry's book.

Yes it is. Been verified by the great guys here on CRG. Been trying to find a buyer but the amount of people that say they want it back away because of that casting number. I don't understand why it isn't registered in any of the popular books. If you Google that number there are more DZ engines with that cast number that have shown up. Someone will always think it's a fake.

As far as I know, the 512 block never had a production application, which is why it never shows up in any of the books - it was used for many years exclusively as the "universal" Service and Warranty replacement 4"-bore block.


And that is why I still have it and can't sell it.
386  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: how about this one on: September 28, 2013, 12:39:14 PM
Not to cause any more problems with this, bit I have an observation, something I noticed on the color that is being discussed...I'm wondering if the tint, if that is what makes the color difference, of the Evening Orchid is difficult for some to see and some think it is Silver. When I first saw the pic of the Camaro in question, my first thought was EO, then I went by what I was reading in the TC thread and said OK, Cortez Silver. So, I went to look at my car, which is Cortez Silver and still has original paint in the door jambs and I'm thinking just by looking at those pics of the Z in question, it has to be EO? My wife and my son both have a problem seeing tint. If you put mist green and mist blue, mid 60's GM colors, in front of them neither one can tell you what color they are. My wife looks at green and says it's blue and my son says blue when it's green. I tell them both they need to get a color blindness check. Is it possible for this to happen where light shades are difficult to see?  
387  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: how about this one on: September 28, 2013, 12:20:24 PM
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=207776    Go over to "TC" and read the story on the 69 Z/28 Barn Find. Very interesting story and good reading if you can put up with "Motorman's" attitude.


Damn...I posted a few of my own comments in that thread when the discussion of the color first started getting heated up, then I quit reading it, I should have kept up. I had no idea it got that heated. So I missed a lot then, and can see that a lot of Motorman's comments were deleted as well as some other folks. My interest is a little peaked now on what he said, I assuming about Jerry M? I find it a bit amusing that someone can sit behind a computer where they know nobody can get to them and say anything they want without getting a punch in the eye. The computer age took a lot out of physical face to face and confrontation.
388  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: how about this one on: September 28, 2013, 11:39:44 AM
I don't know about anyone else but I'm getting sick of "Motorman's" snide comments bashing Jerry. You were doing it over at "TC"  and they told you stop, now you do it over here? If you don't have anything constructive to say don't say anything at all. JMO


So what is the basis for his (Motorman) comments? 
389  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: DZ302 scam block? on: September 28, 2013, 11:33:06 AM
Gary is your block #3959512 A 302? I can't find that number anywhere? Chevy by the Numbers, or Jerry's book.

Yes it is. Been verified by the great guys here on CRG. Been trying to find a buyer but the amount of people that say they want it back away because of that casting number. I don't understand why it isn't registered in any of the popular books. If you Google that number there are more DZ engines with that cast number that have shown up. Someone will always think it's a fake.
390  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Kick panel speaker grill question. on: September 27, 2013, 09:47:15 PM
Yeah, I'm hearing the Camaro grills are thinner. I wonder if chevelles have different grills as well. So far, no for Camaro, yes for Impala/Caprice.
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