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1  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Newbie looking for advice on: September 19, 2014, 11:17:41 PM
44??? Your not old....yet.
2  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z/28 X77 garage/barn find on: September 19, 2014, 11:13:28 PM
Did originals have the through holes for the screws (like the ones Darrell pictured) or were there studs?

I think the holes are correct with screws, not absolutey sure. They are factory correct covers. Two would indicate stereo, I believe. If only one, it would be U69 RH side only.

Agreed. My Judge had the same speaker covers which had screw holes and the covers were black. Can't remember if the screws where chrome or not though.
3  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: FOUND: The Actual 1969 Camaro RS/SS Conv. NASCAR Pace Car for Bristol in 1969! on: September 19, 2014, 08:48:02 PM
He also wants to know if anyone can help him acquire a pretty rare option that originally came with his car.  He states that he has, "been trying to locate the fiber optic wire for the front turn lights to the fenders, no one in the after market offers that item.  Do you know of any outfit that might have that item!!! please let me know."

There is nothing to the fiber optic 'system' except for the indicators and the fiber optic itself (a coated glass fiber light conveyer)..  If he only needs the fiber optic line itself (if his is missing or broken in half), then a corvette supplier would be the best source, as all Corvettes built in several years between '68-9 and 1971 Corvettes had them.  Many people think they are more complicated than they are.     A response to a similar question on the Corvette Forum addressed this issue very well, which I will repeat here:
"There is nothing mechanical or electrical about fiber optics. They are very simple. Just fiber strands that transmit light very easily, from the light source to the individual lenses in the console. The purpose of these items was to show the driver if there was an external light bulb that was not functioning.

 Here are a few of the common reasons why a fiber optic does not work. Check to see if the bulb is burnt out. If the lights were removed to have the car repainted, it is not uncommon for the fiber optic end to get painted over and not allow light to travel to the console. The fiber cable could be broken as a result of a previous accident. Check inside the console to see if the fiber optic cable is connected to the console lenses. When I first got my car, I found some of the cables just not connected to the console lense.

 Anyway, this is very basic technology and it is not like trying to run down an electrical problem. As was previously stated, if you have a problem it is pretty easy to just re-run new fiber cable and re-tape it into the harness. IMO. "

ie.. to have them work, the fiber optic line must 1) be present, 2) be clean on the ends, and 3) be installed in the fittings of the console and lamp source.

Gary is correct, nothing high tech about fiber optics. When I worked on C5A aircraft in the USAF, in the cargo compartment by the main entrance/exit door there was an access panel that had a 1 1/2" diameter single strand fiber optics cable that we could see right down into the front landing gear compartment which was maybe 15-20 feet away. It was used to verify if the landing gear was in the down and locked position if there was a panel light out or some other landing gear malfunction. Very useful item to have there as a back up and along side it was a hand crank to lower and lock the gear by hand if no hydraulics.   
4  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z/28 X77 garage/barn find on: September 19, 2014, 08:30:02 PM
Could these possibly be factory Speaker Coves ?  They're made of metal and have the same speaker shape images on the underside of them.  If they are, does anyone know what the factory color should of been ?

They sure look like factory. Probably the same color as the rear package try cover...or maybe black??
5  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Ebay gas cap on: September 16, 2014, 11:42:57 AM
Thats what people don't understand about NOS stuff.  ALL of it came from the Service department.  When a completely new car came into production part of the servie organization at GM had to go thru each and every peice that they needed to have on hand, and decide if an existing part was Functionally equivalent to a part on the new car.  If so they stocked the funtionally equivalent part.  If there was nothing out there that could be used, they stocked that part or parts.  Over time as other lines changed, were added or deleted the definition of functionally equivalent got looser and looser.  Most servie parts are not the same peice that came on the car originally, and the further away from the year the car was made makes it even less likely the part was actually even used on the car originally.  Look at NOS trim rings as an example.  Production cars had either the 4 clip retainer or the dragons teeth retainers design up to at least late in the 69 model year, some had D shaped valve stem holes, some had holes open to the inner edge, some are oval some are round yet every NOS trim ring has the multi finger retainers and oval valve stem holes that came out late in 69.

Service parts are not production parts.  If people want to pay stupid money for incorrect parts have at it.

The term used widely now is 'form and function'.
6  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Ebay gas cap on: September 15, 2014, 09:52:46 PM
This one

Thanks. I need one then.
7  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Ebay gas cap on: September 15, 2014, 12:42:51 AM
This one is correct then for 69 too? I've been reading no only the raised stamping is correct.
8  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Ebay gas cap on: September 14, 2014, 09:59:33 PM
Was this ever used anytime in the 69 model year? I bought one new in 2000 for $15.00
9  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: body parts, am i over looking anything.. also... on: September 04, 2014, 06:05:28 PM
In the mid 80's I didn't know squat when it came to welding and replacing car body panels and things like that. I met a guy about 20 minutes from me that is pretty much the go to body and paint man with a waiting list of 5 years or more on the DELMARVA peninsula that let me work for him for about 4 years and learned what I needed to do everything. His help taught me to do frame offs and frame on jobs and everything in between except paint. I don't mess with it anymore due to my own health issues, and boy is it hard work but it was fun to learn. With insurance being the way it is, most shops probably won't let you do your own work but you can always ask if there is a way to help.
10  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Screen under cowl vent holes ??? on: September 03, 2014, 03:02:07 PM
Thanks for the tip on the Pontiac screen.

I am planning on babying the car for the most part. I am just being cautious.

The circled area in the picture below is where I was considering adding a screen. Something that would let water and air through and keep everythng else out.


Yeah, that screening would work perfect. Just cut to fit and leave just enough to tap down around the edge with a body hammer and tack it on. The squares are probably 1/4 square or a little larger, I don't think it would look too obnoxious. This is what came on 70's and later I think, it's plastic but 68 and 69's had metal you can trim up. The pic shows the size of the squares pretty accurate so you can decide.
11  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Screen under cowl vent holes ??? on: September 03, 2014, 02:23:20 PM
You could always locate an A or B body Pontiac and get one of those wire mesh screens that are on them going across the top of the cowl and TIG or MIG it in a few spots to snug it up. I had several when I had my 69 Judge in my Pontiac days, so look for something from a GTO or Lemans. Should work well keeping leaves out. If you use a house window type screening you may end up getting clogged up and creating another problem up top. I'm with Hawk, where will you leave it parked when your NOT driving it and will you be driving it in bad weather where debris will get packed back in where you don't want it.   
12  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Wire files?? on: September 03, 2014, 01:54:03 PM
Try this:,6750.html

Either the jeweler's saws in super fine or ultra fine or the razor saws would work very well for fine detail cutting. Since they are really for metals (I've used them on silver) they should last through more than a few grilles - pretty inexpensive, too.


Have you used the ultra fine Steve? If it is a smaller gauge than the high E string, bottom string on a guitar, that may be the one I want to use. Thanks for the link, too. I've been looking for something like this for a few years and never saw them before. I knew they were out there somewhere.
13  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Wire files?? on: September 03, 2014, 01:49:44 PM
They make wire foam cutters that use a battery to heat the wire and cut have you thought about one of those?

Yeah Todd I did think of that method as well as the wire file/saw method. This will be something new for me so I'm still at the planning stage. I really want to NOT remove too much material that there will be such a huge gap that has to be filled afterwards. I already have a 3M two part bonding glue that kind of heats the plastic enough to bond together without damage to the plastic as it cools but I haven't tried it out yet. Baby steps. Getting the cut as fine as I can is my concern. How hot will the wire foam cutter get and how much control will I have to keep from melting the plastic too much versus just using a wire file and not creating any heat. Measure twice cut once.   
14  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Wire files?? on: September 03, 2014, 12:38:02 AM
You might try a jewelry store that does repairs. I think they use something like that.

Thanks. I'll give it a shot.
15  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z/28 X77 garage/barn find on: September 02, 2014, 10:54:44 PM
Was there a console with gauges? If so what oil line fitting set up is installed? Seems to be some speculation on what is actually correct.
It's a console with gauges.   I'll have to check out the bottom of the gauges Tuesday.  That will be my first chance to look and report back  Smiley
Hey Gary,  unfortunately the fitting was already removed. Bummer.  Exactly what should it look like for my future reference


What fitting is installed on the back of the engine block Darrell? 

Darrell, about a year ago plus a few months Lloyd, Edgemontvillage, started this post about the console oil line fitting to block. See link.;all

Look down to post #75. This is what is said to be correct now and not what is being shown at the start of Lloyds post. At this point I personally don't have a clue what is correct now.
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