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46  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Rally Wheel Center Cap Fit on: May 26, 2013, 07:09:09 AM
Thanks for the feedback, Ron.  I appreciate it.  Sorry for the delayed response.  I've been 'off the grid' for a week.
47  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Rally Wheel Center Cap Fit on: May 18, 2013, 02:10:14 PM
I have a set of GM XG code rally wheels and the smaller 67 style center caps.  All parts, including the center caps, are real GM parts that I bought back in the 80's.  The center caps pop in place with the palm of my hand and seat firmly.

However, I have noticed that the gap between the center cap and the wheel is not even all the way around.  The gap is a little smaller at the valve stem location and opposite the valve stem.  This is where the 'nubs' are located on the wheel (2 nubs are centered on the valve stem and one is located opposite the valve stem).  So, it appears that the center cap base is being slightly bowed out after installation.  If I jack up a front wheel and spin it, you can notice the slight runout of the center cap.  All the center caps have the same runout.  And all of the center caps are flat & true when removed & put on a flat surface.

Is this normal for original factory rally wheels?  Any way someone could check and original wheel/center cap set up fro me?  I'm just wondering if this is simply the unavoidable result of installing the center caps.

48  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Ball Joints 69 Camaro on: May 15, 2013, 07:20:32 AM
I also assume that using my originals is not a good idea from a safety perspetive.
If the originals are not worn out, I don't see any reason not to use them from a safety standpoint.  I chose to keep my originals versus installing offshore reproductions.  I feel safer with originals.
49  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 68 outside window fuzzies recommendation on: May 14, 2013, 07:59:24 AM
I have a 68 convertible with the reveal moldings.  I found that the PUI outer fuzzies matched my originals almost exactly.  They are available as outers only.  Others that I bought were too bulky/thick.  IIRC, the screws that they supplied with them had heads that were too big, but I was able to find screws that matched my originals.

Also, PUI has excellent customer service.  On one of my fuzzies, the 'tabs' that hold them to the reveal moldings were offset to one side by about 1/2".  PUI was able to troubleshoot it over the phone by comparing my measurements to their fabrication drawing.  They immediately made another set specifically for me and sent them out at no charge.  No argument, no 'please return them to where you bought them', just taking care of their goof-up.
50  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Rear Wheel Well Plugs - Before or After Undercoating? on: December 21, 2012, 09:11:12 AM
^^ No.  My 68 had 1 plastic plug.  Seems that the other 5 got 'lost' somewhere along the line.  People with 69s have reported plastic plugs as well.
51  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: building a garage on: December 20, 2012, 04:18:28 PM
Definitely go way bigger than you think you need.  It will look huge when empty, but it will fill up quick - trust me.  My garage is 36 x 36.  It allows you to put two cars in end-to-end, but only if you don't have anything like a work bench up against the back wall.  Another thing to watch out for is support beams/columns.  You don't want any.  They turn a lot of garage space into a lot of unusable garage space.

My only other suggestion is if you plan to use the garage for collector cars and daily drivers.  Put a partition between the 2 areas.  You will want to keep your collector car area separate.  I ended up installing an industrial curtain in my garage to accomplish this.
52  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Rear Wheel Well Plugs - Before or After Undercoating? on: December 20, 2012, 09:16:44 AM
Our 68 plugs were clean Jeff.
Chick - Are they rubber or plastic?  
53  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Rear Wheel Well Plugs - Before or After Undercoating? on: December 19, 2012, 01:02:26 PM
Were the plastic plugs in the rear wheel wells (3 each side) installed before or after the undercoating was applied to these areas?

My originals had some undercoating on them, but I think it was from a quick re-coat that I did back in the 80's. 
54  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Restoring Original Ball Joints on: December 01, 2012, 08:35:10 AM
I received the boots from Bair's.  They appear to be a fairly generic boot with no grease relief like the originals.  That doesn't really bother me, but they are very thick & stiff, with almost no 'give' at all.  Not sure if they are usable.

If I undertake this job, I'll probably buy the repro ball joints before pulling everything apart.  That way I can choose from the Bair's boots or pirate the boots off the repros.
55  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original Convertible Well Liner Material on: November 22, 2012, 07:03:54 PM
Thanks for the pictures Ed!
56  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original Convertible Well Liner Material on: November 21, 2012, 08:29:55 PM
Is the flocking really white?  It looks more of a charcoal color in the picture.

So the black vinyl is about the same grain as the soft interior trim?  If it's not too much trouble, I would greatly appreciate a picture of the inside.

It's interesting that the vinyl side is toward the interior of the car.  I thought that the vinyl side went toward the trunk compartment.  The well liner I got from Electron Top has the vinyl side toward the interior, and I thought it was a mistake.  Maybe that one is correct.

Thanks for the help,
57  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Original Convertible Well Liner Material on: November 21, 2012, 05:54:08 PM
Does anybody have a picture of both sides of an original factory convertible well liner?

I had a new top put on my car back in the 80's and the well liner was made out of what appears to be a black lightweight convertible top material.  It's canvas/cloth on one side and pinpoint black vinyl on the other.  The replacement from PUI is cloth with a smooth vinyl on one side, and the vinyl appears to be glued to the cloth, and is pulling away everywhere it was folded.  It looks awful.  The replacement from Electron Top is cloth with a grained glossy vinyl on the other side.

So, does anyone know what is factory correct?
58  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Restoring Original Ball Joints on: November 19, 2012, 11:38:36 AM

I just spoke to Brian Bair at Bair's Corvettes (

They have replacement boots for the original upper ball joints, part number 5093 for $6 each.  Brian advised that they normally remove the ball joint to replace the boot.  He said to carefully remove the ring, then replace the boot & put the ring back on.  Unfortunately, they don't have the ring or boots for the lower ball joints.

I also got a set of the threaded upper ball joint rivets from them, part number 5090C.  Brian advised that these are forged, grade 8 strength, and made in the USA.
59  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Restoring Original Ball Joints on: November 18, 2012, 06:59:11 AM
Here is a post that I found from a while back.  The pictures lead me to believe that the metal sleeve holding the boot on can be removed (although it probably was never intended to be).

Attached is a picture of the different upper ball joints. The left one is a 28K original (mine), the center one is a NOS 3963842 (ebay), the right one is a SS-195 from Classic Suspension (Chevy). The spot welds are very visible on the NOS compared to the original, but the appearance is correct. The SS-195 has a round or bubble top. The rubber boots are held on with the metal band that is shown on the original part.

Does anyone know where you could buy just the rubber boots?


"Classic Suspension" is tough to find any info on.  I have an older 2010 catalog from Rick's, an they specify the 'correct' components as being from Classic Suspension.  So, I went to the Classic Headquarters catalog and they state that their correct suspension/steering parts are from Classic Suspension.  I'm thinking CS is basically CHQ stuff. See here:
60  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Restoring Original Ball Joints on: November 17, 2012, 06:46:08 PM
I posted this over on Team Camaro, but figured I'd post here as well to see if anyone has restored their original ball joints:

My 68 Camaro has the original ball joints.  The car was maintained religiously, so the ball joints are all good.  I was checking things over the other day and saw that one of the uppers has a cracked boot.  For those familiar with original ball joints, I have the following questions:
1)  Is it possible to replace just the boots?
I was thinking about buying a set of 'correct' reproduction ball joints made by Classic Suspension, then carefully removing the boots and installing them on my original ball joints.

2)  Can a new boot be installed on the upper or lower ball joints without removing the ball joint?
On the uppers, it looks like the boot is held in place with a sleeve.  Not sure if I can remove this sleeve without taking the BJ out of the A-arm.
On the lowers, it looks like I could just swap the boots.

So, has anyone done (or attempted) this?
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