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61  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / 1969 Reproduction Front Lower Valance Parking Light Fitment on: December 20, 2013, 10:23:51 PM
I have a reproduction front lower valance for my 69.  When I installed the front light assemblies, the lenses stick way out from the panel.  I removed the gasket, which gained a little room, but they still seem to stick out too far.  I ended up drilling out the spot welds on the bracket, and re-welding it further back.  Am I the only one that has encountered this problem?   
62  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Bucket Seat Back teather cable on: December 20, 2013, 07:55:36 PM
Here is a pic of them...
63  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Bucket Seat Back teather cable on: December 19, 2013, 10:19:43 AM
I have a couple of these I found in my misc. Camaro parts bin.  They are from a 69 and are grey, and about 7" long.  Not sure what they are worth, but if you are looking for one, email me and make me an offer.

64  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Age Groups of Our Hobby on: December 13, 2013, 01:25:52 PM
I agree with the above.  Yes, I am happy that my Camaros are worth a small fortune and could pay off my house for what they may sell for.  But I hate the fact that I am scared to leave them alone in a parking lot for fear they will get stolen.  The fact that I can't buy another project Camaro as even the horrible ones are astronomical.  I hate the fraud and crookedness it has brought to this hobby.  That I can't trust what a trim tag says.  I hate that ebay has more RS Z/28 or COPO Camaros listed than were originally built.  Heck, I can not afford to buy my own Camaros.

In 1987, I bought my first 69 Camaro for $90, and I drove it home.  I spent $800 to redo the interior, fix up the motor, mag wheels and paint.  It got me to college for two years.  I parked it out on the street, many times, with the doors unlocked.  I never worried it would be stolen.  I sold it to a car dealer who approached me with $3,000, which was an absolute fortune in my opinion.  I would pay 5 times that to have it back of course.  My next several 69 Camaros were bought for $700 and $1,000, and were in solid decent shape.  My 68 RS Convertible with solid perfect body and floors, was had for $1,600.  You could go to the junk yard or swap meet and find every part you wanted.  At swap meets you could find console gauges for $20, set of bucket seats for $40, and all the chrome trim pieces for .50 cents each.  Those days are gone, and I do long for them.  I would gladly give up the value of my Camaros to have those days back...but alas, like my youthful looks, and painfree body, are dust in the wind.   

A friend of mine just sold his 69 for $137K at Barrett Jackson.

It was a very nice car, but it was a non-numbers big block with standard interior.  I am amazed at this.  At this price, this car is not going to make it in the hands of the average young kid.  Heck, the average anyone can not afford this.  This car will not be seen at the local car shows, or seen tearing up the streets around town.  It is now going to be traded and sold like a commodity.  This is one of the reasons our hobby will die.  Like jet-setting, yachting or playing polo, only the very few chosen can afford it.  15 years ago, this Camaro  would have sold for about $15K, and that would have been about right. 

Between the rich scooping up all the cool Camaros, the fraudsters contributing to the problem, I guess it's easy to see why kids are into small foreign jobs.  If the cool cars are no longer obtainable, then make the obtainable cars cool.  That's what we did if you think about it.  We could afford Porsches or Ferraris, so will built them out of the poor man's cruiser.  I laugh at the stupid kid that puts a coffee can muffler on his SubaMitsuYotaSsan, but this is not unlike me fliipping my air cleaner lid upside down, or installing glass packs.  Today's spoiler monstrosities are my generations rear airshocks turning my car into a sliding board when tapping the brakes. 

So, I guess I should give the rice burner kidz a break.  There stupid tricks are just them doing as I did when I was young. 

Thanks for the depressing, but fun look at our hobby.  I suppose as long as all of us here have breath, there will be muscle cars somewhere.


65  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Looking to get lots of photos for the Home Page for 2014 on: December 13, 2013, 12:58:09 PM
Hey guys, I am getting a terrific response.  I have some great pics, but I would love to get more.  Please keep sending in your pics.  In fact, I want one month where the Camaro pics are not of perfect Camaros.  Send in a pic of your project Camaro, or maybe it's in primer.  Just make sure it looks like a Camaro and I will have months where I show less than perfect Camaros, future awesome Camaros, and Camaros in the process of greatness.

So, send in all your pics, but please send in your pics of Camaros in primer...and if I can get all three years, I will post them.  Send pics to the following:


66  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Age Groups of Our Hobby on: December 12, 2013, 05:55:15 PM
Am I reading the survey results right...?  NO ONE UNDER 30?  And less than 7% under age 40?  OMG...please say I am not seeing it right...that I missed something.

From this survey, I am in the "younger" group as I am in my 40's.  I have onwed a first gen Camaro since I was a teenager, and can not imagine not having one.  As it is now, I have two 69's, and think it quite normal.   I suppose that one day 20 years or so from now, these cars will be had for real cheap, as there will be very few people wanting to own one.  Sadly, none of the younger guys seem to want them.  

I blame this sad trend on first lame dads not taking their sons to a car show or teaching them how to work on cars, thus insuring they will be victims of unscrupulous mechanics for the rest of their lives.  When I was a teenager, I learned how to work on my car out of necessity.  I couldn't afford some garage to change my brakes, oil change, or other fix, so I did it myself.  Not to mention, at the rate I broke stuff, I had to learn how to make repairs, sometimes on the side of the road with very few tools.  I had the notion that if the moron working on my car at the mechanic shop could do it, so could I.  Next thing I knew, I was building entire cars.  

I also blame this on the big car companies not giving the younger crowd anything to get excited about.  I can't speak for all of you, but in my opinion, there isn't a car worth a damn built after 1973, save for a few exceptions.  These crappy junk boxes did nothing to get the next generation of kids wanting one.  Compound this with the fact that these cars were way too complicated, no horsepower, and could not be made to go fast easily or cheaply (Thank you Ralph Nader).  Add in the explosion of cars from Japan with the societal push to go green and drive small affordable, 4-banger economy boxes, and the fact they were making cars that did not break as often or need maintenace like those of the muscle car era.  Kids no longer "needed" to know how to work on their cars.  

I know guys who have never lifted the hood of their car, and have no desire to.  I find this amazing.  Of course, these are the same guys that think they own a comprehensive set of tools becasue they have a $10 box of Taiwan sockets, two screwdrivers, and a cheap pair of pliers.  They couldn't change their own wiper blades if you held a gun to their heads.  It is really no wonder why very few later generations got into one showed them, and there was just plain nothing to get excited about.  

Look at stock car racing.  Used to be these events got kids exicted about buying a car.  The old saying "Win on Sunday, buy on Monday" (or something like that).  Well, stock cars starting in the late 70's were not very stock.  Nowadays, remove the fiberglass bodies, and they all look the same.  No longer could you even think of buying anything at the dealership that even closely related to the cars at the races.  

Sadly, like the drive in theater, hang out diner, gas station mechanic, and chrome, enthusiasm for muscle cars is dying.  I consider myself lucky to have grown up loving old cars, my ability to fix them up, and getting into the car crowd.  I have never had a mechanic pull one over on me, that is, for the very few times I needed to even go to one (Usually new car warranty nonsense where they try to sell me some stupid repair amazingly NOT covered by the warranty).  

Anyway, I agree with the idea of getting the younger kids interested.  My next show, I am going to let a few rugrats hop in behind the steering wheel (gently of course) and see if that will help ignite a sparkle in their eyes.      
67  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Imagine my surprise on: December 09, 2013, 04:01:23 PM
see, dream to come true.  The pics on the home page are real photos of real Camaro owners who visit this site.  I am always looking for new photos to grace our home page every month.  So be just like Michael, Steve and Brian, and send in your photo of your Camaro, and I promise, you will one day see it up on the home page.  If you have a special month you would like to have your Camaro shown, no problem, just let me know what month you want, and I will put it in that slot.  No Camaro is too nice or too ugly to not send it your photos right away. 

Send your pics to the following:


68  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Looking to get lots of photos for the Home Page for 2014 on: December 09, 2013, 03:57:38 PM
Hey guys,

We have a new year coming and I am looking to collect lots of nice photos for the home page.  Not just for next month, but for the entire year.  So send in your photo of your Camaro and I promise, it will get on the home page.  If you have a special month, for example, a birthday, or the month your Camaro was built (Like I'm not the only Camaro owner that knows the birth week of his vehicle), I will be happy to post that photo for that specific month. 

You Camaro does not have to be perfect, heck, if it's in primer, or rusty and dented, or has dull paint, send a photo anyway.  This site is not about perfect and restored Camaros, it's about OUR Camaros, of all conditions and styles. 

The next Camaro of each model year will get posted for the start of the New Years.  Don't worry if the pic is not perfect, as I will do my best to crop it and re-size it if necessary. 

So please, send in your pics, this site is about you and your Camaro, so represent and send in your pic.

Send photos to:


69  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: NEED HELP ASAP!!! Photos of 69 Hockey Stripe - Baldwin Motion stripe too? on: November 22, 2013, 12:38:26 AM
Ralph over at Stencils & Stripes took care of the situation and gave me a full refund.  I was sad to see that the stencils were not up to the quality I was expecting.  It was just as much as a surprise to Ralph as well, and I am sure he will look into it to make sure it doesn't happen to any future customers. 

I will say that even if the stencils were not defective, the directions should have been more descriptive as you really need to be quite familiar with the stripe itself to get them right.  Also, why they made the fender stencil two part instead of one continuous stencil is awkward to me.  I noticed that joining up the two stencils dead smack in the middle of the fender allowed for paint bleed out and had to be corrected prior to clearing.  Nothing too horrible, but a one piece stencil would have cured this.  Also, the DX1 hood stripe stencil being used as a door stencil makes little sense, and in the very least, they should tell you that you have to cut this stencil down to size and repull the tape to get the proper width to match up to the fender.  There is no mention of this anywhere, and if I simply installed the stencils as they were, the lines would have been off.  I guess they use the DX1 stencil as there really is no GM door stencil to copy from since originally, the door stripe was tape and the fender stripe was a stencil.  I little re-engineering of these would make these absolutely perfect. 

If you think buying the stencil kit means you don't have to worry about being precise, and all you have to do is stick them on and paint away, you would be wrong.  I know there are other stencil suppliers offering the same item and I wonder if they have improved on this or not.  I would like to hear from others who have bought this kit from other places. 

Again, Ralph did make it right in the end, but to be honest, having to discover this issue with my Camaro in base coat, all masked up sitting in the paint booth getting ready for stripes and clear, the last thing you want is issues with your stencils.  Hopefully, future stencils are improved. 

70  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Re: Stinger hood. on: November 13, 2013, 01:48:51 PM
Here are a couple of pics of my stinger hood...
71  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 68 Z28 on the CRG Home Page on: November 13, 2013, 01:26:25 PM
If you guys would like to see your Camaro on the website homepage, just send a pic to me.  Every submission will get posted in the coming months.  I would like to get Christmas themed pics for next month if I can, or if you have a red or green Camaro, send a pic and your Camaro will be the representative Camaro for December. 

Thanks, and send pics to the following email.

72  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Suggestions Wanted For 1969 Camaro Custom Paint Design on: November 03, 2013, 01:26:11 AM
Here is another pic of the Camaro after paint shop and getting put back together...
73  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: NEED HELP ASAP!!! Photos of 69 Hockey Stripe - Baldwin Motion stripe too? on: November 03, 2013, 01:24:41 AM
Here is a pic of it after the paint shop and going back together...
74  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Movie / TV Camaros on: November 01, 2013, 03:04:25 PM
It appears that Daren and Sam had lots of Camaros.

The Camaro in the photo above is obviously a big block with blue interior, and blue top cover.

Another 1967 without the blacked out tailpan, added bumper guards and now white interior and top cover.



Darren and Sam's neighbor across the street has a nice red 67 Camaro convertible.

In fact, all of the housewives in Bewitched drive classic Chevy muscle (Camaros, Corvettes, Chevelles, all convertibles of course)

And don't get me started on other Camaros in show business...

In the movie Transformers, I heard they were supposed to use a 69 Camaro as pre-Bumblebee, but they could not find the required number of 69 Camaros that were junked out and inexpensive, so they went with the oh so popular 75-76 POS Camaro.
Don't forget Danny's 69 Camaro convertible on the TV show Las Vegas
Drew Barrymores 69 pace car on the movie Charlie's Angels (that I got outbid on when it was on ebay, and now sits in a Gatlinburg TN car museum, with a VIN less than 50 away from my current pace car.
John Cusack's 68 Camaro in Better Off Dead
Tomboy...68 Camaro
Christine...67 Camaro
Burt Reyonlds 68 Camaro in Cop and a half - I last seen this at the Orlando Universal Studios sitting in their bone yard.  
Tuff Turf - 68 Camaro
Fast and Furious - 69 Camaro Yenko

And for a complete list....I just found this....

75  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1969 Camaro deluxe door panels - Quality? on: November 01, 2013, 09:14:46 AM
I would rather have a stock looking interior, and do minor changes here and there.  If the door panels fit decently or can be made to look okay, then I will go with them.  However, all I have heard is that none of the deluxe door panels seem to be worth a darn.  I am amazed that 45 years ago, we had the technology to make good fitting parts.  But today, with computers and precision cutting methods, etc., not a single reproduction part is even close to the quality expected.  How sad.

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