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46  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Suggestions Wanted For 1969 Camaro Custom Paint Design on: October 11, 2013, 07:17:02 PM
Hey x77-69z28, this is the result of your suggestion.  I was not even thinking Baldwin Motion until you mentioned it.  I'm glad you did.  It is certainly not a common theme, which I am surprised.  And these colors I picked, I assure you, the photos do no give justice.  These colors have a darn good amount of metallic and pearl.  In the sun, they come out and just grab you.  Once it's all done, I will take some really good photos that really show it off and post them.  I feel like a kid on the night before Christmas...I can NOT wait for this to get out of the paint shop and completed. 

So, a big thanks to you.  Your suggestion made what would have been just another 69 Camaro into something truly awesome.  THANK YOU!!!  Smiley
47  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Suggestions Wanted For 1969 Camaro Custom Paint Design on: October 11, 2013, 05:30:08 PM
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48  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: NEED HELP ASAP!!! Photos of 69 Hockey Stripe - Baldwin Motion stripe too? on: October 11, 2013, 05:13:49 PM
Got the Baldwin Motion Stripes setup great.  However, I could not get the hockey stick stripe to look proper.  I got the door and fender part looking almost perfect, but could not get the curves of the front of the stripe to look quite right.  I kept making it look like the letter "L".  I finally gave up and ordered the stencil kit from Stencils & Stripes Unlimited.  I went with them because they sell the hockey stick stripe without the engine ID cutout, as I want simple the hockey stripe with no interruptions as I have no emblems on the car.

For everyone who helped, I thank you immensely.  Getting the sizes of the BM stripes was very helpful.  Also, I hope I got the curves on the rear stripe rigth, as there are no photos anywhere on the internet that I could find that showed how the striped curved toward the rear window. 

Here are some pics from this morning to show the progress so far.  What do you guys think?  What is the opinion on blacking out the tailpan and the rockers?
49  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: NEED HELP ASAP!!! Photos of 69 Hockey Stripe - Baldwin Motion stripe too? on: October 11, 2013, 07:39:27 AM
Got what I needed.  Thanks guys.

50  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: December 68 Pacer on Ebay again. on: October 10, 2013, 02:24:23 AM
As to one of your beliefs, Indy Pace Cars do have factory 10-bolts.  I am the second owner of my Indy Pace Car and it is numbers matching, and has the original 350/300hp "HE" engine (HE means 300hp with PG), a powerglide 2-speed transmission, and a 10-bolt 3:08 rear with posi (which I think is dealer installed as it's stamped PG, but also has the "D" for Dana stamp as well.  Why someone would equip a Camaro to this extent, but leave the 2-speed PG alone, I find amazing.  And of course, if you got the PG, the 10-bolt was standard for that transmission.  I have documented the partial VIN and date codes, and it's real.  So it's okay to believe, it's okay to believe, believe, believe...

To make up for it though, I have the very rare column shifter, no console, and shoulder belts.  (and by rare, I mean as it who in their right mind would order a combo like this?  No one...that's why it's rare...not for the good reason.
51  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: December 68 Pacer on Ebay again. on: October 09, 2013, 10:42:52 PM
I contacted the seller and as politely as I could tell him, advised him that this was not a real Z11.  He replied and is adamant about this Camaro being a genuine Z11.  If someone buys this Camaro believing it to be a real Z11, and later finds out the real truth, he would have a successful lawsuit on his hands.  Here is the exchange:

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From: sdkarTo: themotormastersSubject: Other: sdkar sent a message about Chevrolet : Camaro Leather #171142886048Sent Date: Oct-09-13 09:55:33 PDT

Dear themotormasters,

Please, do not take this email in any negative fashion, but one of simply giving info of which you may or may not be aware.

This is not a real Z11. It is very nice, but it needs to be advertised as not a real Z11. I am a person who is an avid Camaro collector & in the legal field. I personally own a 69 pace car & I am quite familiar with them. If you sell this car without disclaiming it, you hold yourself out for liability. I have personally been involved in several suits in which dealers have sold cars as one thing, when they were in fact something else entirely. It cost the dealer quite a bit of money when all was done.

As a dealer, you are held to a higher standard, & even if you claim ignorance, you are still liable. Also, if the buyer is out of state, you can be hailed into the court of that state, not your own.

I say this to avoid an unhappy buyer, a fine seller of classics harmed, & the hobby exposed to bad reputations.

If you have any questions, please ask.
- sdkar   
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From: eBay Member: themotormasters <member@ebay.com>
To: sdkarebay@bellsouth.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: Other: sdkar sent a message about Chevrolet : Camaro Leather #171142886048
                       
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Seller has responded to your question about this item   

Dear sdkar,

Hello and thank you for the email. I appreciate your concern and appreciate looking out for us as we are honest car dealers, but this is an actual Z11 Pace Car. The tag that is located on the firewall confirms this. Hagerty personally inspected and insured the car as proof, which was for $51575. I will email you the Hagerty report if you would like.

Philip
- themotormasters
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sdkar response:
Philip,
 
I promise you, this car is fake.  The trim tag is an obvious fake.  I have over 500 documented 69 Camaro pace cars in my own data base, and there is not one single pace car prior to the third week of January.  If you want to know for sure this car is not a real Z11, I urge to contact Jerry MacNeish.  You can reach him by phone at (410) 781-0418.  His website is the following:
 
http://www.z28camaro.com/consvcs.html
 
I would not have written you if I was not sure.  Jerry MacNeish, in my opinion, is the absolute authority on first generation Camaros, and has been used in legal matters where no one can refute his opinion. In fact, I am willing to put my money where my mouth is.  If you hire Jerry, and he states your car is a real Z11, I will pay his entire bill and give you $500 for your trouble.  That is how sure I am.
 
Again, your business and I will not tell a man how to run his own affairs.  I am simply trying to help avoid what could be a bad situation.  Also, I have found in my research, that this car has been flagged as a counterfeit in many of the camaro websites.  Thus, whoever buys this car is very likely to find out its true origin if they do even the slightest amount of research. 
 
Again, I am simply sharing with you, my knowledge.  What you do is your business. 
 
Take care.
 
Steve
 
 



 
52  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: NEED HELP ASAP!!! Photos of 69 Hockey Stripe - Baldwin Motion stripe too? on: October 09, 2013, 10:07:33 PM
Most of all, I need just a single photo of the end of the hockey stick stripe on the door.  I know it has a unique point, and need to try and match it as close as possible.  If anyone can send a close-up of this one single item, I would be forever in your debt.

Thanks,

Steve
53  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: NEED HELP ASAP!!! Photos of 69 Hockey Stripe - Baldwin Motion stripe too? on: October 09, 2013, 07:28:51 PM
C'mon guys, surely someone has one close-up pic of the point of the stripe on the door.  I just need to see how it's pointed. 
54  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Stripe dimensions for Baldwin Motion? on: October 09, 2013, 06:45:12 PM
If you have any of the magazines you can scan and post here or send me, that would be great.

Thanks,

Steve
sdkar@bellsouth.net
55  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Suggestions Wanted For 1969 Camaro Custom Paint Design on: October 09, 2013, 02:56:11 PM
The photos are not the best as the reflection of the bldg make the paint look dark.  The passenger side may be a better view.  I assure you this is a very bright metallic silver.  The stripes will be a dark charcoal/gray pearl.

In fact here are the color codes.

Main color:  Light Spiral Silver GM WA813K    (2003 - 2013 Corvette)
Stripes:  Dark Graphite Gray Pearl TOY/LEX 1C6   

 
56  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / NEED HELP ASAP!!! Photos of 69 Hockey Stripe - Baldwin Motion stripe too? on: October 09, 2013, 02:44:45 PM
Hey guys, I am going to the paint shop tomorrow (Thursday, Oct 10) to lay out the stripes on my Camaro.  I have lots of decent photos, but cannot find any good close-ups of the hockey stripe on the door.  If anyone can send me a couple of good photos of this area, as well as maybe some measurements (ie: how wide at the fender/door area, how far from the back edge of the door, etc.), I would be forever in your debt. 

Also, since this is going to be a Baldwin Motion paint scheme, if anyone has any photos and/or measurements of the BM stripes, please forward to me.  Most of all, I am looking for pics of the BM stripe on the trunk lid and how it curves into the large painted stripe area. Any and all photos and measurements are welcome. 

Here is what I am going for. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CJVmY8ee44

Thanks for any and all help.  I promise to post photos next week when its all done.

Send pics and info to:

sdkar@bellsouth.net

Steve
57  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: What the heck is this? on: October 09, 2013, 11:29:06 AM
I hava this on my 69 Pace Car with powerglide.  It fits powerglide only and acts as a shield for the kickdown linkage, which is not a cable like in the TH350, but a set of linkages.  I don't believe you will find this on the TH350 or TH400 cars.   
58  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Are 71 Cutlass front parking lights the same as 69 Camaro? on: October 08, 2013, 01:49:36 AM
I am looking at pics of a parking light from a 71 Cutlass and they appear to look exactly like those from a 69 Camaro.  The only difference seems to be the lenses have a larger brow, but the main assemby looks identical.  Does anyone know if these are the same? 
59  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Suggestions Wanted For 1969 Camaro Custom Paint Design on: October 08, 2013, 01:06:02 AM
First coat of silver...getting stripes tomorrow
60  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Stripe dimensions for Baldwin Motion? on: October 08, 2013, 12:57:17 AM
Just what can be found on the internet...but nothing detailed.  Is there a site you recommend or pics you can send?
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