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16  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Camaro Performers magazine discontinued. GONE I TELL YOU....GONE GONE GONE!!! on: August 15, 2014, 11:03:02 PM
Thats to bad about the economy, and Camaro performers going under. I know Romney would have been more accountable, but it still would have been tough to get the economy humming again. I am interested to see who becomes the front runner to go against Hilary. Think of all the publications that have gone under though, newsweek, and the news papers in general are struggling. Maybe the next candidate can run on a platform of bringing back (the economy)& all the great car publications!

I wonder lately if getting America back on tract is a possible reality or simply a pipedream.  I try to be hopeful, but it's awful hard to these days. 

its shameful that it doesn't matter anymore  (about the economy re our elections), but it doesn't..   Less than half the voters *care* about the economy; the majority lives on the largesse of the gov't.. and will continue voting for their 'freebies'...  Sad      we are on a steep downhill slide as a country.... and it sickens me.
17  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Camaro Performers magazine discontinued. GONE I TELL YOU....GONE GONE GONE!!! on: August 15, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
So, our next president that gets my vote will have to swear to the following...

"People of America, if I am elected president, I promise to restore the economy, end terrorism, Crush russia and put putin in his place, level north korea and iran, drill for oil anywhere it is until we have so much of the stuff that the oil companies pay us to take it off their hands, frack the fracking frackible fracks wherever the frack it is, re-open and build new coal plants everywhere so electricity is cheaper than dirt, pass a law that makes CAFE standards applicable to coffee quality only and nothing to do with MPG of cars, do away with every single law restricting our 2nd amendment and force anit-gun people to buy a gun, shut down the IRS because of their POS attiutde, shut down the EPA ASAP, close the DOE PDQ, and go after the DEA until they are DOA, restore our military and let them do what they do best and force all politicians' children to join, re-open the agency of Un-American activities and chase down every low down commie/socialist/preogressvie despot and flog them publicly, but ONLY AFTER I, as president of the United States of America, restores Camaro Performers."  

18  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Camaro Performers magazine discontinued. GONE I TELL YOU....GONE GONE GONE!!! on: August 15, 2014, 09:15:42 AM
As if it has not been a lousy week already.  My AC blew up during what must be the hottest time of Summer.  Eight days and a thousand bucks later.  My turtle died, my living room ceiling fan quit working, my Sentry safe no longer opens, despite every attempt and idea from Sentry, with the final diagnosis that it has to be destroyed to be opened, my dog pissed on my brand new Tempurpedic mattress, and my wife had her hours cut at work.  Now, the worst news ever, Camaro Performers is no longer.  They were nice enough to send me a replacement subscription of a horrible magazine that I had cancelled last year because it was that bad.  I would rather have had a choice of one of their other magazines, or maybe a subscription of Needlepoint Monthly, but certainly not what they sent.  How about instead, a pro-rated refund?  Is there even any money left to give back to all of us, as I am sure I am not the only one upset over this.

Anyway, now is dashed my hopes of my Camaro one day gracing the pages, or maybe even the cover of Camaro Performers.

I guess it goes to show just how bad our economy really is, and despite our 6th Summer of Recovery, or claims by our betters that the economy is the best it has ever been, that it's just not true.  The economy sucks and now my favorite magazine is gone for good.  What am I supposed to read while visiting the "library"?  I blame obama for this.

19  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: need help identifying sheet metal parts on: August 15, 2014, 08:56:57 AM
They look like hull pieces from the Titantic
20  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Caveat Emptor on: August 08, 2014, 12:24:39 PM
It's back.

21  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Who would be interested in buying a replacement passenger seat cable? on: August 08, 2014, 05:25:36 AM
Hey guys, I still have a few of these left, so if anyone is interested in getting one, please contact and let me know.  After these are gone, I will not be making anymore, and that will be it.  So, check your cable and if you need one, or think you might need one, get it now.  Once these are gone, they are gone.

22  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: New body? on: July 26, 2014, 06:58:36 PM
I priced out an entire dynacorn body for a 69 a few years ago, and it was around $13k for an entire new body, including delivery to my door.  It included every new panel of sheetmetal, and was guaranteed by the seller to have the doors and trunk lid prefit with supposedly near perfect gaps before being sent out.  Not sure how much this has gone up, but I know that the seller I spoke with was willing to deal a little, and the advertised price was not set in stone.  Bear in mind, this was a few years ago, and they were trying to get this things out there for all of us to see. 

Just a thought.

23  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: photos of my 69 build, on: July 26, 2014, 06:52:42 PM
That car is a mess.  From the few photos posted, I can only imagine how bad it really is.  I am betting the rear frame rails are just about gone, and I would be surprised if one good speed bump wouldn't put them though the floor.  This car could get you killed on the road.  I would even be willing to bet that a rebody from dynacorn would be cheaper than the repairs needed.

If the car was advertised or you were it was rust free, and the seller held himself out as a car specialist, then you certainly have legal recourse over and above that of a regular private seller.  If you want to stay away from lawyers and retainer fees, I would call the guy, and let him know that he was reckless with the truth, and that you relied on his statement or advertising of a "rust-free" vehicle.  That this statement is way in excess of simply puffing up the sale of the car, and is fraud.  State to the dealer that you feel that a $5K refund would be fair, and if refuses, that you will sue him. 

A small claims lawsuit if pretty easy to handle for the average joe, and you would likely win as long as you have a good expert witness.  It would be in the interest of the dealer to settle with you, as even though you can represent yourself as a pro-se litigant, the dealer MUST hire an attorney, as a business can not represent itself in a legal court trial.  By you filing a $300 small claim suit, he would have to hire an attorney, which would more than likely want a minimum of a $5k to $10k retainer. 

I suggest you call and try to settle for a reasonable refund.  If he says no, then file the suit, and I bet that upon hiim recieiving it, and realizing attorneys are expensive, and that paying you $5k to go away, is cheaper for him.  Just my opinion.  It couldn't hurt to try.  With a situation where this is a car dealer holding himself out as a professional, you have a lot more legal protections, and he has a certain level of requirements when giving facts about a car he is selling, and what is relied upon by you when he makes certain statements.


24  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: any of you ever sued over a car you bought on: July 23, 2014, 09:25:02 AM
When I posted my opinion, Kerr's post above mine was not present.  I guess we posted at about the same time.  Anyway, I see that it was a dealer, which may be helpful.  As stated, a dealer is held to a higher standard.  If you have a lawyer friend, and he is willing to help, well then take him up on that .  Seems like you have what you need to go from here.

25  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: any of you ever sued over a car you bought on: July 23, 2014, 09:11:26 AM

I am not an attorney, but I have graduated from law school, and have been involved in several lawsuits involving classic and muscle cars.  All of which I was successful, and got the buyer tens of thousands in damages.  However, the lawsuits in which I was involved, dealt with vehicle misrepresentation such as the car was advertised as a numbers matching Z28, which it was not, or the car was advertised as a numbers matching, but the engine had been stamped to look like it was from that car, and all were from specialized car dealers, not a seller from the general public.  I got Jerry involved on one of them, as it was a 69 Camaro, and his report was golden, and we settled out of court.  

In the case where the seller is a dealer specialising in muscle cars, he is held to a much higher standard than just a regular person.  A person on the street is only held to the standard of a typical person, and not as an expert.  Therefore, he will get the benefit of any doubt, and what he said to you to make the sale, may amount to only "opinion" or "puffing".

There are several things to consider.  First, where is the seller located?  If he is out of state, you may have to sue in his state, and not yours.  You may be able to state that he availed himself to your state by placing an advertisement that was meant to be seen by you outside of his state, and if you get the right judge, that will be enough to establish jurisdiction.  I found a case involving an ebay sale, which hailed the seller into the buyer's state, which made it easier for the buyer and difficult on the seller.  Also, just because he said the car was in great condition, may not make him liable, as again, it was his opinion, which is different than stating as a fact, which is tough to prove in a courtroom.  Even if he made statments of fact, you have the burden of proving what was said, which in darn near impossible.  You may be limited to what the ad stated, and anything you could get him to say during depo, if the judge even allows you take his depositiion, as in small claims court, the rules are more relaxed, and the defendant could argue undue burden, and prevail in halting a depo of himself.  Next, you have to prove what he actally knew.  You would have to convince the judge he knew about the rust under the top.  All the seller has to do is play Sgt. Schultz, and say he knew nothing, and he will be believed.

Without knowing the whole story, and only going on what you stated here, I will say that your likelihood of being successful in court would be low.  And I doubt you will find a lawyer who would take this on a contignecy.  Which means you can easily find a lawyer who will take your case, but he will want a retainer.  And it will take a year at least, and he will keep asking for more and more money, as the lawyers fight it out on every stupid detail.  Long gone are the days of going to trial quickly in civil suits.  Just as doctors have to order every single test in order to cover his butt, lawyers have to argue every single nuance, regardless of the chance of success, just to cover their butt...and to pad the bill as well.  It will take 6 months to establish jurisidiction, then there will be summary judgment hearings which is what the lawyers do to get the case thrown out on a technicality over the stupidest reasons...and on and on.  No matter how gung ho you are going in, I assure you, you will be dogged and no longer care long before it is over.  And if you have an attorney, the money spent could have gone a long ways in fixing your car.  Also, there is no guarantee of getting attorney's fees if you win, unless it is given by contract or statute.  I have seen cases over $200 that amounted in over $20k in attorney's fees, that the plaintiff had hoped to collect as well.  The judge agreed he was owed the $200, but gave not fees, and it cost him.  Lesson here is don't let pride get in the way of common sense.    

However, if you want to do something, and you believe you have jurisdiction in your state, you could sue in small claims court.  It's much easier, you don't need a lawyer, and could actually be a great learning experience.   Depending on your area, you are limited in what amount you can sue for, such as $5k in my state here.  The rules are a little relaxed, and the judge basically will typically attempt to advocate for both parties, give legal advice, and not hold you tot he letter of the law and proper procedure, as they surely will in a higher court.  File a suit, basically telling what happened and establish your cause of action, which is the legal reason you are suing.  It would be typiclally something like breach of contract, but may include other causes of action, depending on the facts of the case.  Bring in the ad, and any other evidence you have.  Get your body shop guy to testify as to the actual damage and cost to repair, and if so, an expert on what the car was really worth when you bought it.  You will have a 50/50 shot I bet.  However, it is "buyer beware", but a consumer does have some protections, just not the seller is also protected as he did not hold himself out as an expert here, and will also get the benefit of the doubt.  In fact, the seller may not say a word, and if you can not prove your case, he could win.  Small claims will cost you a few hundred bucks, whereas an attorney, $5k-$10k easy.  You get to tell your side, and watch the seller explain himself in front of a judge.  That may be worth it.  And, if he doesn't respond, you can get a default, prove your damage, and get a judgment.  Collecting on that judgment is a whole other issue.

Hope this helps.
26  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Aftermarket Seatbelts on: July 11, 2014, 09:58:11 AM
Hey guys,

I'm looking for opinions and suggestion on aftermarket seatbelts for my 69 Camaro coupe.  I see quite a selection on ebay and that show what looks like really nice 2pt and 3pt seatbelts, and for a much better price than original or even Morris seatbelts.  However, I want to make sure of fitment and what if anything needs to be customized before buying.  I would hate to buy a set and realize that I then have to do way too much engineering, or buy some sort of adaptor kits or something just to get them to fit. 

So, has anyone out there installed any aftermarket seatbelts that they can recommend?  2pt or 3pt is fine, as I would like to go 3pt if possible, but if there isn't a decent, inexpensive and easy to install 3pt, well then 2pt is fine.  Please don't tell me about Morris, as I have looked into them, and they seem nice enough, but the price is a little forbidding.  So, what do you guys recommend?



27  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Get a credit card with your Camaro on it. on: June 19, 2014, 10:39:27 AM
Hey guys,

Tought I would share this.  I saw an offer from Classic Industries where they will send you a credit car with a photo of your Camaro on it.  I applied online, and designed my card using a photo of my Pace Car, and a few days later, it came in the mail.  It was easy and I have to admit, looks pretty cool.  Plus, I think you get some added discount from Classic Industries if you use the card to buy parts from them. 

Here is the link to make your own custom Camaro credit card.

28  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Who would be interested in buying a replacement passenger seat cable? on: June 18, 2014, 04:03:18 PM
Hey guys,

I am glad that you satisfied with the cables. 

Due to a bigger demand than I expected, I am out of shoulder bolts.  I hope to get more in the next month or so, and will order them when the washer is hopefully ready. 

In the mean time, I have the cables in both black and grey and will be happy to continue providing them as long as they are needed and requested. 

Email me with any questions, or your order at the following email:


29  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Three point retractable seatbelts on ebay. on: June 11, 2014, 09:32:44 PM
...or these.

30  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Three point retractable seatbelts on ebay. on: June 11, 2014, 09:15:44 PM
Hey guys, heres an ebay auction with what looks to be a decent 3-point retractable seat belt setup.  Anyone have any experience with these or have seen them personally?  How do they look and function?  With the cost of the Morris brand setup at over $300, this seems like a better deal.  Maybe these aren't as nice as the Morris, but if they do their job, I may give them a go.  Anyone have any input?
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