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Restoration / Re: Under Hood Insulation 68 SS
« on: December 22, 2018, 07:19:47 PM »
What did you do about the clips not holding?  I just got my REM pad - -the original clips wound not hold.
this new pad is thicker than the one i got from them 20 years ago. 
Back then the clips were a challenge, but eventually got them all to hold.

I even went and bought a set of the repro CHQ clips, that are advertised as being longer, but they work worse then the originals.  won't grab for even a minute.  For now I have the fat plain ones on - hoping that over time i can switch them one at a time as the pad settles into place.
The color seems a little greener then I remember, but that doesn't bother me.
Any other ideas or recommendations?  anyone modify their original clips in any way?  Duct tape?  lol
thanks.....  J

Originality / Re: Booster check valves
« on: December 14, 2018, 05:14:05 PM »
No Luck
At one point I was gonna restore all of the boosters and send them on their way.  so....,
Unfortunately I pulled all the check valves, pipes, and hoses - put them in a separate bin.  I never took the manifold vacuum ports either.  :(

Sold off 100's of the various check valves over the years, did not leave the paper tags on them.   :(
Still have a ton - -found 5 or 6 of the #2 right on top.

I have the #1 on my 69 Z11 - it came like that 20 years ago on the original booster.
That's kinda why I don't trust survivor cars so much - If the new owner believed (wrongly) - that his check valve or other part was not the one
everyone expected to see, he would just change it to the desired flavor at the time.

Like the dipsticks, oil plugs, and many other items - the believed "typical norm" seems to change from time to time - even though all versions are technically correct.

I did take 1000s of pictures in the yards. We traveled to many remote areas, most of the pics are buddies bent over picking, goofing off, or HUGE fields of cars. Lots of pics of really rare cars that just weren't salvageable (at the time) OMG  lol ?

So I guess I can't offer any forensic evidence at this time.

But I can tell you that I have seen, and provided parts for -- many Nationally Certified Survivor cars where parts had been changed in the past. - I will never tell..  lol

Originality / Re: Booster check valves
« on: December 13, 2018, 08:18:19 PM »
Which is exactly what i am saying. Both plants produced other models along side the Camaros.
Even a plant as small as St. Louis which only produced 1 model -- the Corvette. has variations of many items (including check valves)

To say or even believe that every 1st Gen Camaro only used one style check valve is really inconceivable.
But I know what I have seen, I am gonna check my boosters when I have time, I have 20 or so 9204s and 3 or 4 8515s hidden somewhere around the shop. They are all unrestored in "as found" condition - - don't remember if I left the valves and hoses in them or not.

I have a huge bin full of hoses tons of valves attached there - - will look for paper tags to ID them. 
been a little cooler here lately, was too hot up on my 2nd floor to go digging.

Originality / Re: Booster check valves
« on: December 13, 2018, 01:32:25 AM »
Ones on the Left are all early 60's.  look at the top left - just like #2 but no hole in the center.
The small hose // large Booster hole - are Midyear Corvette Z06. 
67 Camaros could wear any of those others on the left with no questions in my mind.

I have been observing these for some time - was thinking of writing an article for the NCRS one day.
I really am darn positive about these.  - the 80's valves look nothing like any of these. Others as well as the multiple circle style were used into the early 80s)

many vendors made these valves, as well as all the different parts for GM.  Millions of cars- millions of check valves.
lots of versions.  thanks.....

Originality / Re: Booster check valves
« on: December 07, 2018, 03:04:53 AM »
these are some i just had laying around the house.  The #2 (not shown) is on both my 67 cars. my 69 is wearing a #1.  But many of these others are still correct for those years interchangeably...

Would have had more, but the wife keeps putting the boxes in the garage when i am not looking and i can't find anything anymore.   lol

Originality / Re: Booster check valves
« on: December 07, 2018, 02:44:07 AM »

Great and interesting but can you show some survivors with those #1 valves! I have not seen one survivor with that type valve and agree 100% with Mike.
I am not talking about survivors, those are always suspect anyways.  I am talking about cars that were crashed back in the day and have been parked and untouched since then.  Those are the yards I went to for 30 years, and where I grabbed and observed all the different examples.  I have 1000's of pictures, bet if i go through the crates (not digital - Fotomat) I could show you.  One of these days sir....   One of these days...  :)

Originality / Re: Booster check valves
« on: December 06, 2018, 10:05:52 PM »
Handful?  lol  - - - I have shoe boxes full of all of those.  Plenty of those #1s were on the 1969 cars.
And no way can you say that only one version is correct and the only style used.  At least 4 different vendors at that time - - all with slight variations.   Been pulling these from Junk yards for 30 years.  Pretty darn positive about this....   

Originality / Re: fuel hose
« on: December 04, 2018, 06:26:01 AM »
This is what Jeff has.

Mine is generally what the Midyear Corvette guys wanted.  I just produced what an NCRS guy sent me a picture of.
I can make anything, so when we all figure out what the Camaro used - -just show me.  I would only take me a week to duplicate.

Originality / Re: Booster check valves
« on: December 04, 2018, 06:16:26 AM »
You can tell those guys at the Camaro Nationals that your check valve is perfectly correct for 1969.
There were like 6 different vendors making those for GM at the time.

Generally I like to see #2 on 67's and 68's as well as lots of different versions for those also. 1969s generally got the #1 in your pictures
There where many additional versions that are completely acceptable for all those model years.....
ie: Flat with diamond in center / Flat with no diamond, Ridged and tapered.

It was all a big transition during that period for that item.
The multiple circles #3 was adopted after 1974/5 or so.  And then there were a few versions of those also --the center circle got deeper.

I Have so many different designs of these things that It is clear that these were produced in HUGE quantities by many vendors simultaneously.

67 and 68 were exactly the same except that 1967 had a salmon colored tip. 
I have seen 4 different versions that were used E - M - W - B - could be more....

Originality / Re: 69 Gas Caps revisited - original Cap?
« on: November 17, 2015, 08:35:35 PM »
I watched that video a while back, and did not believe what I saw, and that was the cap with ears.
 I have restored a bunch of the round caps over the years and looked at quit a few original cars with there born with assy line gas caps including 1970 Chevelle's that used the same "Round" Stant vented anti-surge cap.
 I would have argued long and hard that the ear cap had not even been made in 1969.
Any thoughts on the one in the video ? Maybe a early engineering test thing ?
 Shauger have you seen the video with the ear cap ? Interesting, never say never ?


I would also have argued that there were no gas cap ears in 1969.   
And this is not a case of different vendors - these were all made by Stant.

All the yard cars that I was 100% sure were original and had been crashed back in the day had the no ears cap. 
But who really knows for sure? 

Hey that sure makes it easy, that one looks just like the cap they are selling at walmart today....   LOL  ::)


General Discussion / what about the 1967?
« on: March 06, 2015, 02:34:36 PM »
GM looks over 5 Generations of Camaro, but forgets there was a 67.....     :D

A look back at the Camaro, through the eyes of contemporary Chevy designers -
See more at: :D

Restoration / Re: 67 rag exhaust replacement
« on: January 08, 2015, 06:05:39 AM »
here is the old thread.  Gardner has not fixed his issues.
D&R makes a wonderful system at 1/2 the price..

the fun starts on page 3.....

Originality / Re: 1969 door lock knobs
« on: October 12, 2014, 04:04:20 PM »
the reproductions being made today look pretty good, but they are metal.
the originals for 69/70 were chrome plastic.

I have a pile of originals, but can't find anyone to do a reasonable price for the plastic chrome process.

Decoding/Numbers / Re: 124677N236950
« on: September 30, 2014, 04:40:34 AM »
I wouldn't sell mine for that - no way....

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