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76  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 Oil Pressure Gauge Block Sender Fitting on: July 15, 2013, 03:32:09 PM
I'm assuming you have a small block, so yes, it's correct.


Yes. (for a 302)
77  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / 1969 Oil Pressure Gauge Block Sender Fitting on: July 15, 2013, 01:42:21 PM
I'm trying to determine the correct oil sender fitting (block side) for a 1969 Camaro with console gauges.  How does this one look and is it missing any pieces or does it appear complete?

78  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Engine hook bolts on manifold on: July 14, 2013, 09:10:37 AM

I have never seen any assembly pics like that. My 1100 mile 70 Z had no evidence of that at all. It has orange paint on the plug wire stands that were done with a brush.

Charley, would love to see a close up photo of the brush work on the plug wire stands.
79  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Exhaust manifold bolts. on: July 12, 2013, 12:16:47 AM
Yeah I got a kit from AMK and included everything including the French locks.

Hey Daniel, you have number handy? I haven't looked yet but I was going to see what I could find in the 69 AIM if is even in there.

Gary, be aware the french locks available from AMK and other parts vendors are made of stainless steel which is incorrect. The originals were stamped untreated steel. GM still sells the steel ones (GM part# 14081241) however the stamping has changed and they are not the correct appearance for our cars. I located used ones, treated them with Evapo Rust and they work well for an unrestored car.   
80  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Engine hook bolts on manifold on: July 09, 2013, 04:12:26 PM
1. Were the intake bolt heads and/or lift hooks brush painted before or after installation? Is there any evidence of silver paint brushed on the intake manifold?
2. What shade and gloss (of silver) was used? Argent?
81  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Engine hook bolts on manifold on: July 07, 2013, 10:22:35 AM
Edgemontvillage was referring to the engine orange on the head surface between the valve cover and intake manifold... ie. the upper part of the machined surface for intake gasket...  which normally would not get painted on such an engine (with aluminum manifold and aluminum valve covers)..

Yes, that's right. 
82  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Engine hook bolts on manifold on: July 03, 2013, 09:01:39 PM
Not the clearest picture, but this gives you an idea what the shouldered bolt looks like.  Jerry MacNeish rebuilt/restored the engine.

Interesting details, dimpled (manifold) carb studs (?) and partially painted head on intake manifold plane.   
83  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: NOS Idler Arm vs Factory Original on: July 01, 2013, 01:18:08 AM
Lloyd does the NOS idler arm have a 'C' or an 'O' stamped in between the 2 frame mounting holes?

The NOS arm isn't stamped on either side of the bracket that bolts to the frame.
84  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: upper and lower control arm finishes on: June 28, 2013, 03:48:43 PM
Most interesting Scott and had not seen the thread you listed.
Hi John! I have looked at several survivors over the past few years and many have remnants of black paint on a-arm components. JohnZ communicated to me that a-arm assembly came into the plant painted with the a-arm, dog bone, bushings, and washers/bolts as the assembly. This picture was just taken last Friday at the Camaro Nationals of a survivor which shows paint on the a-arm components.

Paint is also present on the hard fuel line, was it also painted / oversprayed or was there touch up done on the car in the photo?
85  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / NOS Idler Arm vs Factory Original on: June 26, 2013, 02:07:13 PM
I just purchased an NOS idler arm for my '69 Z. I have read there are some differences between the factory originals and NOS service replacements however the part I received was "missing" the cotter pin hole which struck me as a manufacturing defect. I was later told that NOS idler arms used an oval locking nut rather than the common castellated nut and cotter pin combination. Can anyone validate this observation?

86  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: GM 3877660 Water Outlet on: June 23, 2013, 02:18:44 PM
Here is a post from John in 2005 on the subject:

JohnZ Jul 13th, 05
"This is a great debate subject. I have the GM drawing for 3877660, released in 1965, and it says "Cast manufacturer's identification, part number and General Motors trade mark location optional." Three different suppliers made this part over the years it was in use, and each one put the part number in a different place. In NCRS Corvette judging, the pattern that emerged after observing thousands of known-original cars indicates that those used through 1969 had the number on the flange, and those used from late 1969-up had it on the top of the outlet neck. The current reproduction, made by Paragon, has it on the outlet neck. My original 02D '69 Z/28 has it on the flange."
87  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: z28 with white stripes, cowl pics on early 69 cars on: June 21, 2013, 12:01:07 PM
Bill, a couple of photos of my 4C Nor car (original paint). Let me know if you need more detailed photos.

88  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Z 302 pulley finishes on: June 21, 2013, 11:30:31 AM
Edmontonvillage - Thanks and interesting.  I'll have to inspect the pulley better and determine if it's paint.   Must be a very light paint as it's not obvious like the other components.

There is no indication it was dip painted (lacks tell tale runs) however its low gloss (at least 44 years later it is). I have not attempted to duplicate it.
89  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Dusk Blue Z on ebay 06/20/13 on: June 21, 2013, 01:26:00 AM
There are SOOOO many things wrong.



1. Looks to have replacement stainless exhaust
2. Looks like it has an aftermarket Hurst shifter to me
3. Hurst emblem on the console??? Certainly not "stock".
4. GM sticker on the door jam
6. Repop NK1 steering wheel
7. As been observed already, missing smog
8. As been observed already, repop jack and hold down (the air cleaner stud looks to be just a bit too long too!)
8. "Triple Dusk Blue Z28/RS less the 1% had this color and options combination" - I have NO CLUE where he got this info from. Must have pulled it out of his @$$
9. "F41 suspension" - Sorry, NOT available on the Z28
10. "I have over $71,000 in NADA/McNeish Value at $75,000+" - Jerry didn't certify this car, so where did this number come from??

Many other things as well, but I don't have the time to post them all


A few more:
 - Spare tire drum painted gray rather than black
 - Hood hinges and springs appear to be painted.
 - Paint line dividing firewall from cowl is too defined, appears to have been masked (no white stripe overspray visible)
 - Trunk mat (not available without deluxe interior)
 - Phillips screw used to secure cowl relay to firewall. Unusually high mounting position on cowl seam.
 - RS hoses are mis-routed on firewall.
 - Left side shock mounting plate is incorrect.
 - Oversize screws securing console shifter plate.
 - Upper hood latch assembly appears to be painted silver or media blasted (could be from photo flash washout).
 - Lower hood latch assembly painted black.
 - Wood applique trim plates behind radio knobs missing.
 - Washer bottle cap is new/NOS replacement, hose incorrectly routed to pump.
 - Intake manifold front plug incorrect.
 - Both fender mounted hood bumpers missing.
 - Cowl to hood seal either missing or painted body color (poor image)
 - Battery cable grounded to upper alternator bracket.
 - Replacement or restoration voltage regulator.
 - Air cleaner assembly paint and all decals too fresh for 71,000 mile, 44 year old car.

90  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 Fuel Line Frame Rail Bracket Bolt on: June 20, 2013, 01:44:28 AM
Up on the hoist

Removed the shortened fuel line and compared it with the replacement  (yes it had been cut short by that much...)

Removed the fuel line clips and bolts and realized I am missing a rear frame rail clip. Here are the bolt head markings from my 4C Nor car:

Installation complete (less 1 clip still to locate)

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