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61  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 Endura VE3 Load Rest / Jack Hook - Original vs Reproduction on: May 31, 2013, 12:26:19 PM
I'm surprised that any vendor spent the money to design and develop the dies to reproduce that hook, in view of the potentially VERY low demand for the part.

John, me too, however its a pretty nice part as compared to so many hastily produced, low fidelity reproduction parts in the market. 
62  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 Endura VE3 Load Rest / Jack Hook - Original vs Reproduction on: May 31, 2013, 09:49:19 AM
"Good write-up Lloyd! Are you able to say where you got the original from? The few that I've seen for sale have been priced as though made of solid gold...."


I wish I could brag that I found the hook on a weekend swap meet archaeological dig however I didn't, I purchased it from a parts vendors.
63  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 Endura VE3 Load Rest / Jack Hook - Original vs Reproduction on: May 31, 2013, 09:35:02 AM
Great presentation. It's great to see these parts viewed in this manner so we can choose whether to look for original or buy reproductions site unseen. Unless you have an original part to compare with, it is often hard to comparison shop.

Gary, considering that the hook and jack assembly is stored under the spare tire and rarely sees the light of day, budget and personal preference dictate choices here. I have been painstakingly working through correcting many details on my car for the past couple of years and really wanted to continue in the theme of correct, original parts only.  
64  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / 1969 Endura VE3 Load Rest / Jack Hook - Original vs Reproduction on: May 30, 2013, 11:59:01 PM
When I purchased my 69 RS/Z28 with a factory installed Endura (VE3) bumper, as is often the case the jack and its related parts were missing. I located an original base, ratcheting mechanism, mast, J hook, wing nut and lug wrench with relative ease however was unable to locate an Endura jack hook.  I decided to purchase a reproduction from HBC and although its well made and a reasonable approximation of the original, it was just too fresh and shiny rather than "survivor original" in keeping with the rest of the car so after a considerable search I located the original hook pictured here. As the Endura VE3 jack hook is reasonably rare and not often photographed in captivity I thought I would post a few photos of the original and the reproduction as I have not seen a similar comparison posted anywhere else.  

Overall dimensions and weight are similar however there are several subtle differences:

The arch of the hook's backbone is more pronounced on the reproduction and the midsection of the arch is wider. Although it is difficult to see, and oxidation may play a part, the paint color on the original is a darker less intense shade of blue. The bottom and top ends of the original also have a finer taper. From this side angle the tabs on the back of the mask bracket are slightly bent upward on the original.



The hole located in the mid arch is positioned higher and the mast bracket is bent at a much steeper angle on the original hook.



This top down view of the back of the mast bracket shows a more defined die cut of the tabs and a straight cut and alignment vs slightly flared tab ends on the reproduction.



In this photo the difference in the angles of the mast brackets is quite noticeable. Also the die cut of the original braket is more defined or crisp vs the reproduction.



The stamping around the main rivet is more elongated on the original and the crush end of the rivet is domed in the center vs flat on the reproduction.



The font used for the "VE3" stamping is the same however is better defined and has better horizontal alignment on the original. The rivet is slightly larger and far more bulbous shaped on the reproduction hook.



The "CAMARO 1969 UN" stamping on the original uses a slightly larger point size and is shallower however the same font is used. Centering and horizontal alignment is better on the original. The edge radius of the stamping on the orignal is also wider. The rivet is painted on both and the original has a wider lip  

65  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Cowl Hood Relay - Factory Original with Rivet? on: May 30, 2013, 10:15:04 PM
Here I have 2 cowl hood relays (PN 7729602), a used one that appeared in my original post and another which is NOS. The NOS relay is an earlier service replacement as indicated by the box design and shows minor design variations. It uses a open center rivet to attach one of the blades and the base design is also different, perhaps from a different supplier. A more noteable difference is on the front of the case. Both have a drop of solder (as suggested by Warren - WorkinProgress)  however the earlier NOS part also has a (hollow) brass fastener attached to the case where the solder pooled.   







66  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Z 302 pulley finishes on: May 29, 2013, 02:55:44 PM
Here is a photo of an original '69 Z/28 Power Steering pulley I own. Although the original finish mimics phosphating its definitely paint. In the photo you can see a small area that is chipping on the bottom right side.
67  Site Comments / Discussion / Test Drive / VIN Search Test 124379N633599 N633599 on: May 28, 2013, 10:40:28 AM
TEST - Norwood 4C build RS/Z28 originally sold out of Georgia or South Corolina. Looking for original trans and motor VIN 124379N633599   N633599
68  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Valve stems for Rally Wheels on: May 26, 2013, 07:30:26 PM
Thanks for clarifying John.
69  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Valve stems for Rally Wheels on: May 25, 2013, 07:50:56 PM

Huh Hmmm?

Posted by: Petes L48
627 cap is seen here, still around as JohnZ said.  Looks like your #2 I believe.

Posted by: luv2sixty9
Cap #1 is the factory assembly line original. Cap #2 is your every day seen cap.
70  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Valve Stem Caps for '69 Rally Wheels on: May 24, 2013, 01:37:05 PM
Reviving an old thread relating to a question about assembly line correct valve stems and CAPS.  Are either of these examples (#1 or #2) assembly line correct for a '69 Z?  As shown in the photos, #1 has fine ridges that extend onto the crown of the cap, a less pronounced tip and proud base.  #2 is a more commonly seen style with the Dill name in capital letters moulded into the crown, wider, further spaced, flatter ridges and a taller tip with a concave center and a level base rim.



71  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 Control Arm Alignment Shims on: May 23, 2013, 09:42:08 AM
Nice Kevin, this looks like the set that was offered by Wayne (Hotrodsled) from his 9,300 original mile 1969 Nova.
72  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Cowl Hood Relay - Factory Original with Rivet? on: May 19, 2013, 08:27:43 PM
I've come across a used cowl hood relay (firewall mounted) and am trying to determine if it is assembly line correct. The relay on my factory installed cowl hood car is the same except without the rivet circled in red. Does anyone with a factory original cowl hood car have a relay with the rivet or is this a non-correct later service replacement?    

73  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 Control Arm Alignment Shims on: May 19, 2013, 06:12:42 PM
Here are the shims I located, both are identical except supplier markings. They are from a very original 6cyl '69 Camaro:


74  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 Control Arm Alignment Shims on: May 05, 2013, 10:27:04 AM
Good info, thanks everyone!
75  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 Control Arm Alignment Shims on: April 07, 2013, 12:18:00 AM
lloyd, do you need pics?

Thanks Kevin, I have since located a few with the Rocket symbol.
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