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31  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: cleaning paint off PBT stamping on: December 17, 2013, 08:28:30 PM
Enamel reducer is what I used, this whole engine compartment had been rattlecanned during the 70's, Figuring it to be enamel I tried enamel reducer VIOLA....

FYI this is TEDIOUS AND NASTY work and must be done in a well ventilated area. IT TOOK 20 HOURS PLUS, however the original phosphates etc were beautiful, the car was certified survivor at the 07 Camaro Nationals.  


It seems like yesterday we were Vintage Certifying that car. Wow 7 years in June. BTW you did an amazing job cleaning and detailing the car while preserving the original finishes and stampings.

Enamel reducer is what I used, this whole engine compartment had been rattlecanned during the 70's, Figuring it to be enamel I tried enamel reducer VIOLA....

FYI this is TEDIOUS AND NASTY work and must be done in a well ventilated area. IT TOOK 20 HOURS PLUS, however the original phosphates etc were beautiful, the car was certified survivor at the 07 Camaro Nationals.  

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It seems like yesterday we were Vintage Certifying that car. Wow 7 years in June. BTW you did an amazing job cleaning and detailing the car while preserving the original finishes and stampings.

Yes, James did some very nice work to preserve and revive the car while under some pressure to restore it which I'm pleased he and William resisted.  The preservation work has continued.


32  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22 on: December 17, 2013, 07:30:27 PM
Looks good Lloyd.  Those are correct per my discussion with Jerry as well.   Here's the plugs that are on my Z's original M22.   After Jerry rebuilt it, he requested follow-up pics for his files and research.   Confirmed original for the car/trans.  Built date of the car is 04B.   Note that the trans came with two magnetic plugs - both the same.


Thanks for the confirmation Hans, your Lisle plugs look identical to my replacements. 
33  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22 on: December 17, 2013, 01:58:28 PM
I discovered (with help from Jerry M) that the drain and fill plugs in my 3/69 build date Muncie M22 transmission were likely from either a late 1969 or post 1969 production M22. The plugs are made by Lisle and I have seen them stamped with a P, W (with underline), the Lisle script only, with the Lisle Magnetic 2 script and Lisle Magnetic 3 script.  The Lisle Magnetic 2 design is correct for my transmission build date and most early/mid 1969 and prior M22 production transmissions. The Lisle Magnetic 2 plugs also have a unique dual spade magnet design (see "bottom view" photo).

My M22, "before" photo, Lisle Plugs with P stamping  



Lisle Magnetic 2 script plugs, top view  


Lisle Magnetic 2 script plugs, bottom view  


The installed "after" photos: Lisle Magnetic 2 script plugs






"Other" Lisle transmission plugs I have seen:


Typical of magnetic bottom design of most Lisle plugs I have seen.









34  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1100837 Alternator Stamping - Original? on: December 17, 2013, 12:26:00 PM
Lloyd,

Here's a clearer pic of my alternator.   Hope this helps.  Unfortunately, I don't have enough expertise to comment the one you are considering, so can't add value there.

Not sure why Photobucket rotated the picture.   I re-rotated on the site, but reverts back to this mode when I add the link.   If you click through the pick, it should display normally.




Thanks for posting Hans, although your 837 has been restored certain of the characters are unmistakeably distinct and unique to the original stamping set.
35  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Delco Script Color on Battery on: December 06, 2013, 01:28:04 PM
Eddie, for the 1,600 mile Z/28 the caps must be painted yellow. It's unclear if the embossed DELCO and Energizer script are also to be painted yellow as there seems to be strong evidence to support painted or unpainted. Personally for a restored car I prefer painted lettering as James did per the photos he posted on this thread. It looks sharp adds color to the engine compartment and is supportably correct.
36  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Delco Script Color on Battery on: December 06, 2013, 10:33:26 AM
Eddie, this is the battery you want for the production date of your car, its the only repro I'm aware of that is a side terminal design and with the appearance of a Y77, just needs painting. Batteries from this company have been poorly received by the hobby however they now have a 4 year warranty which is an improvement.  I use a top post battery I bought from them that has served me well for almost 3 years (so far).

Web Site: http://www.restorationbattery.com/r79s.html



37  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Delco Script Color on Battery on: December 04, 2013, 10:59:55 PM
Here is an early photo of a 1969 Z/28 engine compartment that appeared in Hot Rod Magazine. You can clearly see the DELCO script is painted on the battery. The "Delco Eye" filler cap should be in the second from right (passenger side) position as shown. The photo Chick posted (originally from Jerry) is from a 1968.
38  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Delco Script Color on Battery on: December 04, 2013, 05:40:17 PM
Eddie, the battery I currently have in my car (below) is a repro Restoration Battery (R59).  I replaced the red filler caps with original, vintage Y series Delco caps so it has the appearance of a Y55. The give-away of course is that the terminal polarity is conventional with + positive on the left (drivers) side. On the original Y55s the terminal polarity was reversed. The second and third photos are of a vintage NOS Y55 battery that I sold earlier this year. As James noted you can see how the paint was applied on the embossed DELCO Energizer letters, showing runs especially on the large D, C & O.  

My engine compartment with a mock Y55



Original NOS Y55








As your car is a late production, long after late April 1969, it would have been spec'd with a side terminal Y77.




39  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1100837 Alternator Stamping - Original? on: November 03, 2013, 12:49:19 PM
Thanks for the input. I'm looking for constructive input on the the "7". Does anyone have an original with the same digit / character shape?

40  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1100837 Alternator Stamping - Original? on: November 01, 2013, 02:00:26 PM
There is another 837 alternator on Ebay #251370450530 with the same date to do a comparison.

Dates are 1 month apart.

41  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1100837 Alternator Stamping - Original? on: November 01, 2013, 12:13:02 PM
Lloyd - just a word of caution on "837" alternators - I had to source one for my Z last year.  I really struggled to sort out real from the fakes.   It takes a real pro to know is what I found out.   Fortunately, Jerry MacNiesh was rebuilding my engine at the time and I was able to get his confirmation the one I was considering was real.   I think he rejected 90% of the ones I sent him for consideration (at least 15 - 20 samples).   I was quite shocked how many re-stamps are out there.  

Heres the one I bought, confirmed by Jerry as a real "837".   It's a little early for my build (March), but within the acceptable range.   Also, I'll take a better pic if needed.




Yes, I agree with your comments Hans.  I have seen plenty of 837 stamps and the impressions are most all inconsistant - they were hand/gang stamped for identification and not for artistic merit.  On your 837 the bottom of the 0s (zeros) appear irregular and the foot of the first number 1 (one) is mis-stamped, typical irregularities found on others.  I have been paying far more attention to the condition of the aluminum case on un-restored orginals as its extremely difficult to fake / replicate 45 years of patina so tampering is easier to detect.  
42  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / 1100837 Alternator Stamping - Original? on: November 01, 2013, 10:19:54 AM
Would appreciate opinions as to the originality of this 837 stamping:




Additional photos:



43  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 dash grab handle and trim on: October 15, 2013, 08:23:11 PM
The instrument panel molding shown is currently listed on eBay with the indicated CPP or CCP marking on the reverse side. My original has the GM PN# embossed.  


44  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Engine hook bolts on manifold on: October 11, 2013, 10:46:59 PM
So did the whole production run of 69 Z 's come with the 660 only? maybe i have the wrong one...
( I am not in front of my car just trying to zoom in on a picture of mine, hard to see if it has it or not)

There is a good CRG thread on the 660 thermostat housing that might help:  http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=10971.0
45  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Engine hook bolts on manifold on: October 06, 2013, 10:41:31 AM

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