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16  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Z28 carb fuel line bracket. on: April 24, 2014, 12:32:24 PM
Thought of 'PR' for Paragon Reproductions, but can't think of any similar examples of a reproduction item of this nature on which the reproducer marks their logo in a prominent place.

I emailed Paragon last night and haven't heard back from them yet. If anyone has a repop bracket from HBC or Paragon, please post a photo, I'd be interested to see if the Pr stamp belongs to Paragon.
17  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Z28 carb fuel line bracket. on: April 24, 2014, 02:19:32 AM
I'm going to send Paragon a photo of the bracket I have and enquire if its their repro. Thanks for the info.
18  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Z28 carb fuel line bracket. on: April 24, 2014, 12:40:54 AM
What prompted me to post the question was the manufacturer's stamp <Pr> on the eBay listed bracket appears to be the same stamp on the bracket I posted.

Lloyd,

The P over the R looks like the Pparagon Rproductions logo...

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https://www.paragoncorvette.com/default.aspx

 Huh

Paul

Interesting observation Paul. There are clear similarities between the Paragon logo and bracket stamp however the font, stylized "R" and surrounding brackets are formed differently. I checked their web site and couldn't locate a bracket like this and its not clear if they are an agency vendor or also commission parts manufacturing.  I'd like to get to some closure.  
19  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Z28 carb fuel line bracket. on: April 23, 2014, 11:35:03 PM
Tim, what prompted me to post the question was the manufacturer's stamp <Pr> on the eBay listed bracket appears to be the same stamp on the bracket I posted.

eBay bracket:



My bracket:

20  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Z28 carb fuel line bracket. on: April 23, 2014, 10:31:43 PM
I've had this fuel line bracket for a while however it's not correct for my 4C build date Z. For those of you who have an original, is this a real one or a re-pop?





21  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Amazing 69 Z/28 Survivor on: April 21, 2014, 04:30:57 PM
Nice work Chick, would love to see more detailed photos of this important find (and who better to take them!).  Thought it was interesting to see the cowl air cleaner is a ridged bottom version.  There has been much debate if any of the ridged bottom actually made it into late production cars (vs service part) or if they were all flat bottomed.  I think this benchmark car provides some clarity. 
22  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Side marker Bezel fastners on: April 21, 2014, 11:08:53 AM
This is what you want:

http://www.heartbeatcitycamaro.com/store/product/14089/Camaro-Side-marker-bezel-nut-kit-GM-1968-1969/
23  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: ZL/2 Wing Nut Color on: February 24, 2014, 06:53:43 PM
This thread might help: http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=10575.0
24  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: speedo clips and location on: January 10, 2014, 11:15:32 AM
Thanks Chick, this is exactly what I'm looking for. We are trying to install a repop clip on Mike's tribute car (where there wasn't one previously) however the trans tunnel clip is also long gone on my survivor and the hole was welded so I can't determine exactly where it was located or the correct orientation for the clip (I have an original to install). Your post answers both questions.  Thanks again!
25  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: speedo clips and location on: January 10, 2014, 10:42:41 AM
Does anyone have an installed photo of the speedo clip that's located on the passenger side of the trans tunnel? I need the precise location (measured off the trans tunnel seam?) and the orientation (speedo cable captured / clamped below the drilled hole or above the hole?). Thanks. 
26  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22 on: December 19, 2013, 03:50:25 PM
Another picture showing plugs from both sides.  From left to right.
LISLE MAGNETIC 2
LISLE magnetic
P magnetic
W fill plug (note - not magnetic)
No marks magnetic - current plug that is not correct, but is functional for the task.  I have about 100 of these new.


Quite the collection Bryon.
27  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22 on: December 18, 2013, 07:58:42 PM
I have visited the Lisle Manufacturing plant that made the original plugs.  I tried to see if they could make them again with the same original lettering.  No dice. 

I believe the LISLE 3 plug was in use prior to the M22 being introduced (so it is prior to 1965). 

There are at least three minor variations of the LISLE MAGNETIC 2 plug.  The 1969 model year type plugs were also used in 1968 M22s in Camaros.   

From what I can tell, the P and LISLE plugs are 1970 and later.  Possibly some in very late 1969 but not sure on that.  Typically used when there was both a fill and drain plug.

The W plug with underline is a fill plug, the normal plug for M20 and M21 transmissions 1969 and earlier. 



Bryon, thanks for filling in some additional details on the applications.
28  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: cleaning paint off PBT stamping on: December 17, 2013, 08:28:30 PM
Enamel reducer is what I used, this whole engine compartment had been rattlecanned during the 70's, Figuring it to be enamel I tried enamel reducer VIOLA....

FYI this is TEDIOUS AND NASTY work and must be done in a well ventilated area. IT TOOK 20 HOURS PLUS, however the original phosphates etc were beautiful, the car was certified survivor at the 07 Camaro Nationals.  


It seems like yesterday we were Vintage Certifying that car. Wow 7 years in June. BTW you did an amazing job cleaning and detailing the car while preserving the original finishes and stampings.

Enamel reducer is what I used, this whole engine compartment had been rattlecanned during the 70's, Figuring it to be enamel I tried enamel reducer VIOLA....

FYI this is TEDIOUS AND NASTY work and must be done in a well ventilated area. IT TOOK 20 HOURS PLUS, however the original phosphates etc were beautiful, the car was certified survivor at the 07 Camaro Nationals.  

has
It seems like yesterday we were Vintage Certifying that car. Wow 7 years in June. BTW you did an amazing job cleaning and detailing the car while preserving the original finishes and stampings.

Yes, James did some very nice work to preserve and revive the car while under some pressure to restore it which I'm pleased he and William resisted.  The preservation work has continued.


29  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22 on: December 17, 2013, 07:30:27 PM
Looks good Lloyd.  Those are correct per my discussion with Jerry as well.   Here's the plugs that are on my Z's original M22.   After Jerry rebuilt it, he requested follow-up pics for his files and research.   Confirmed original for the car/trans.  Built date of the car is 04B.   Note that the trans came with two magnetic plugs - both the same.


Thanks for the confirmation Hans, your Lisle plugs look identical to my replacements. 
30  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22 on: December 17, 2013, 01:58:28 PM
I discovered (with help from Jerry M) that the drain and fill plugs in my 3/69 build date Muncie M22 transmission were likely from either a late 1969 or post 1969 production M22. The plugs are made by Lisle and I have seen them stamped with a P, W (with underline), the Lisle script only, with the Lisle Magnetic 2 script and Lisle Magnetic 3 script.  The Lisle Magnetic 2 design is correct for my transmission build date and most early/mid 1969 and prior M22 production transmissions. The Lisle Magnetic 2 plugs also have a unique dual spade magnet design (see "bottom view" photo).

My M22, "before" photo, Lisle Plugs with P stamping  



Lisle Magnetic 2 script plugs, top view  


Lisle Magnetic 2 script plugs, bottom view  


The installed "after" photos: Lisle Magnetic 2 script plugs






"Other" Lisle transmission plugs I have seen:


Typical of magnetic bottom design of most Lisle plugs I have seen.









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