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Restoration / Re: Body Mount Tape - Width

« on: January 08, 2019, 03:42:18 PM »

Lloyd
Here is one of the rear bushings on your old Black RS Z... the metal is visible above the rubber.

Also a photo of the tape under the bushing.

James, thanks for posting, the discussion relates to the upper bushing location, between the body and subframe rail, I'm not seeing any metal there? Its acknowledged the lower bushing in the stack, that accepts the bolt and separate washer, shows the integrated washer.   

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Restoration / Re: Body Mount Tape - Width

« on: January 07, 2019, 02:40:17 AM »

Allright so Reply 51 & 75 show tape at the rear shock hole. More than likely this hole was covered too. When the top of the shock came up through the opening it probably pushed the tape out onto the trunk floor. Now we just have to determine the proper size piece of tape for this and the floor.

Dan, John Z (John Hinkley) posted some time ago on CRG that in fact the number 3 position subframe bolt holes and the rear shock mounting holes were taped during Fisher Body's water penetration test. Except for Replies 51 & 75 there haven't been other photos of the tape on the rear shock mounting holes from original, untouched cars (I haven't been able to locate them anyway). The photo in Reply 51 suggests the tape covering the shock mounting holes was applied from the under the body (consistent with the position 3 bolt holes). It would be interesting to develop this subject further.

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Restoration / Re: Body Mount Tape - Width

« on: January 07, 2019, 01:25:13 AM »

Here is a picture of Charley's pace car (from the Yenko site) The plot thickens.

Although not a Gen 1, here are photos of the trunk of Charlie's former 1,100 mile '70 Z/28 - note the tape. The spatter paint coverage is far better than I've seen on Norwood Gen 1's:

 

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Restoration / Re: Body Mount Tape - Width

« on: January 07, 2019, 01:01:11 AM »

This looks like a possibility. If it is too wide then I am sure it can be cut narrow being we are talking about short pieces.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/JVCC-JV497-Black-Masking-Tape-3-in-x-60-yds-Black/192661420554


Mike

Thanks Mike, I’m going to order a roll.

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Restoration / Re: Body Mount Tape - Width

« on: January 06, 2019, 11:29:21 PM »

This is the widest width (2.00") black crepe paper based tape I could source (thanks to those who offered to send me some however I ordered this early in the thread).


 

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Restoration / Re: Trunk sound deadner

« on: January 04, 2019, 02:45:50 PM »

Very informative topic and had no idea there was sound deadener in the trunk for cars w/Deluxe Interiors.   Much appreciated!

I laid out the sound deadener in the interior of the car over the weekend and the current kits sold do not provide material for the tunnel.  I'm assuming only Deluxe Interior cars received extra sound deadener that covered the tunnel, or?   It appears the material on the tunnel may not have had insulation pad, just Asphaltic Mastic only. 

Hans, here is a photo of the interior of Mike P's Norwood 11C X11 car (6cyl, Turbo 350) with standard blue (715) interior - perfect original floors - after we stripped it in 2012. You can see there is no sound deadener on the trans tunnel.

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Restoration / Re: Body Mount Tape - Width

« on: January 04, 2019, 04:02:04 AM »

Well, nothing conclusive, but here's the body mount bushings I removed from my '69 04B LA Built Z.  All have integrated washers but  unfortunately, no signs of part numbers left as they appear to have corroded/cracked away.  But with that, upon closer inspection, I believe there are hints of body tape remnants left on the #3 bushings.   While possible, I have no reason to believe the body bushings were replaced - the lower cushions all had legible part numbers and correct per the AIM. 

Great intel and photos Hans. The only manufacturer's identification I've seen on any subframe bushings is "WHITE" however I wonder if the construction varied by source. On my current project, the 2B Norwood RS/Z, there were no integrated washers in the Position 3 upper bushings either. 

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Restoration / Re: Body Mount Tape - Width

« on: January 04, 2019, 03:47:16 AM »

Hi Lloyd,
  In reply #20, the metal sleeve is only in the center of the bushing with no washer on the outside?
I see in reply #22 (10/10 69 RS) the bushing shows what looks like a metal ring w/oxidation against the floor.
This is interesting!  This weekend I may venture to remove the rear bushing on the 67 LOS and see if the chassis will move enough to get it out.
  On another note.....while looking closely at the '67 LOS, I've noticed, for the first time since I have owned this car, exposed tape on the rear right shock. Below is a closeup. I see just partial edges on the other side shock. But, I see no evidence on the floor openings but I won't know for sure until I remove one of the bushings.

Mike

Mike, in the Reply #20 photos only the lower bushing shown in the digital caliper has a washer and the upper bushing (female side, PN ...361) doesn't have any steel in it.  Reply #22, is a photo from my former 10 10 car (Norwood 4C build date) and the oxidation you're referring isn't from the top bushing. As I previously owned the car I can attest it didn't have steel washers in the Position 3 upper bushings. 

The photo of the '67's rear shock mount is interesting and the first I've seen evidencing tape in that area - please post your findings. On Charlie Lillard's (former) 1,100 mile 1970 Z there is a photo of the tape on the inside of the trunk at the shock mount location. Possibly a change in procedure with the Gen 2 body? 

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Restoration / Re: Body Mount Tape - Width

« on: January 04, 2019, 02:23:55 AM »

I looked at the bushing and there is a lot of cracking where the numbers are so it is hard to make out what they are.
But, looking at the various pictures posted in this thread, all the bushings show the metal between it and the floor.
What is different about the bushing construction that's in question?

Mike

Mike, the bushings shown in Reply #1, 3, 18 (lower photo), 20 and 22 are examples of upper bushings that don't have the integrated washer so there is no metal washer to floor pan contact. The difference in bushing construction is best seen in my posting Reply #20. The bushing shown in the digital caliper is a hard grainy rubber compound as compared to the installed bushing (...361) in the photo below it which is a smooth flexible rubber compound allowing more  "squish" when torqued. (both are NOS)

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Restoration / Re: Trunk sound deadner

« on: January 04, 2019, 02:10:59 AM »

Lloyd, did you ever receive the material?

Not yet, will report back when I do.

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Restoration / Re: Trunk sound deadner

« on: January 04, 2019, 12:16:00 AM »

Lloyd, Been following your thread. Really nice work and detail.

Thanks for the feedback Kelley, I appreciate the encouragement!

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Restoration / Re: Body Mount Tape - Width

« on: January 03, 2019, 08:33:27 PM »

Here are the R&L side pictures of the rear bushing from my 67 04B LOS coupe (I assume this is the #3 position).
They have the integrated washer. The 67 AIM also shows them in the drawing. Unless this was a '67 thing?
 I'll look closer and see if I can see the P/N.

Mike

Interesting. Can you confirm the bushings are factory original to your car?  Are the PNs still visible? It "appears" the upper bushing has the integrated washer and the lower bushing doesn't? In the 1968 and 1969 AIMs the Position 3 top bushing image is the same (integrated washer bushing) however we know that's not definitive as the bushing construction is different.

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Restoration / Re: Body Mount Tape - Width

« on: January 03, 2019, 07:19:33 PM »

Interesting.  I'll check the originals I removed from the car and confirm.  I installed the older NOS version recently.  I assume you can't remove the integrated washer?



Hans, if memory serves, bushings with the integrated washer are of a different design and meant to interlock with the non integrated washer bushings (eg 361 with the 380). I don't think the integrated washer was designed to be removed.

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Restoration / Re: Body Mount Tape - Width

« on: January 03, 2019, 07:01:26 PM »

Lloyd, 
   I'm a little confused, are you saying the integrated washer (I assume you mean the metal against the floor) was not on original bushings?

Mike

Mike, from my observations, the upper bushing in Position #3 did not have the integrated washer, there was not a metal bushing washer against the floor pan.   

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Restoration / Re: Body Mount Tape - Width

« on: January 03, 2019, 06:31:29 PM »

Chick I couldn't help but notice the bushing in your photo appears to have the integrated washer which would be the 3928380 instead of the 3901361 bushing or is that camera flash?

Dang it Lloyd now you ruined my new Year..... LOL I'm not sure how that has happened as I'm confident I had all my biscuits and donuts all lined up by part # for the sub-frame as the owner I purchased the car from had already bought them and I checked all those against the AIM but it sure would look like I must have screwed up and will have to examine that. 

Chick - Well - appears you had the right body mount bushing here:  http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=7497.0.   

Hans, none of the factory installed 3901361 bushings I have seen use an integrated washer, it might be a later service replacement bushing that Chick has and, as we have seen frequently, NOS / service replacement and assembly line originals, are often different.