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God those are beautiful clips Lloyd.

What finish did you use on the one below the mastercylinder?
The "gang clamp"

I believe I left it natural steel however now I believe it may have been zinc plated originally.

James, thanks for your comments. I'm not convinced if the clamp ("gang clamp") was natural steel or plated. None I've seen have been pristine enough to make a good determination. I opted to electroplate mine silver cad which could pass for either. 

Restoration / Re: Fuel Sending Unit Details - Tape and Sleeve
« on: June 26, 2020, 04:47:15 PM »
James, yes I did notice. I removed and restored the original sending unit ground strap terminal for that reason however I made the mistake of cutting the wire short when I removed it from the old sender so the only way to replace it would be to splice it in-line. I was thinking of soldering it then using shrink tube followed by tucking it under the crepe tape. Based on your constructive "terminal shaming" I may just do that!


Restoration / Re: Body Mount Tape - Width
« on: June 26, 2020, 01:14:17 PM »
Although there aren't many surviving examples of original tape to evidence the exact details of the factory practice of sealing the rear shock plate mounting holes and cutout prior to the water penetration test, I concluded rightly or wrongly that based on what evidence does exist and examples of tape used elsewhere on our cars for the water test (sub frame mounts) and for other, sundry applications (fuel sender and interior console), its likely the tape would have been a crepe style. I decided that 4 - 4 1/2" long and 2" wide was needed in order to cover the bolt mounting hole and cutout, mostly due to the awkward angles, so I cut a piece to size then, after applying sealer (dum-dum) around the bottom of the shock plate, bolted it in.


Crepe tape applied over rear shock plate holes.

Sealer applied to the back of the shock plate prior to installation (I actually used about 1/2 as much as is shown in the photo)

Restored Shock plate installed (followed by the original bumpers)

Restoration / Re: Fuel Sending Unit Details - Tape and Sleeve
« on: June 26, 2020, 12:56:00 PM »
I decided to use a crepe style tape based on the photo evidence of most of the original tape remnants. I narrowed the 2" width tape I had to about 3/4" and transferred the rubber sleeve from the original sending unit onto an NOS sender I was able to source. 

Thanks to the Members who contributed!

For the sake of completeness, below are the restored and fasteners (differential brake hose connection to master cylinder - rear to front) and proportioning valve.

Phenomenal write up Lloyd! Should either be put in the research topics or made a sticky!
I agree, fantastic info!

Thanks for the feedback gents.


Restoration / 1969 Camaro Front Power Disc / Rear Drum Brake Clips
« on: June 21, 2020, 05:09:23 AM »
I just completed the restoration of the brake clips for my 1969 RS Z/28 Project. My research lead me to a few, incomplete threads on CRG so I thought I would contribute a comprehensive reference thread in case others can benefit from this information in future. All clips shown are original and restored, none are reproduction. All bolts are manganese phosphated and as there are several threads on CRG that discuss where to source phosphating solution and how to convert fasteners I won't address that process.The black chromate fasteners (3 - double hoop style) are first clear (silver) zinc plated followed by a black chromate immersion solution. The result is similar to low-gloss black paint however more durable and it doesn't flake or chip. The finish is also similar to Black Oxide immersion solution (which does not require zinc plating) and both are available from electroplating suppliers like Caswell. For the semi-transparent blue and green clips I used Steel F/X metal solvent dye. Its best to apply it with a low pressure air brush. It dries quickly and produces a fairly durable flat sheen finish. I applied two light coats. I've include a color coded (by clip) reference from the AIM as well as photos I took at MCACN of some original cars with undisturbed clips to show the location and orientation of each clip.

Front Subframe Cross Member Clips

Black Chromate Double Hoop Style Clips

Semi-Transparent Blue Dye Clips

The single Semi-Transparent Green Dye Clip

Clear Zinc Clip

Color Coded Clip Reference Locations

Original Clips - shown in order from back to front of car (along left /driver's side)

Position 1: Black Chromate Double Hoop - Left of Differential

Position 2: Semi-Transparent Blue Dye - Rear Inside Frame Rail

Position 3: Black Chromate Double Hoop - Underbody, bolted to floor

Position 4: Black Chromate Double Hoop - Underbody, bolted to bracket stand 

Transition Between Position 3 & 4 clips

Position 5: Shown on AIM however not used for Power Disc / Drum Brakes

Brake Line Routing Between Position 4 clip and Proportioning Valve

Proportioning Valve - Outside Sub Frame Rail between Position 4 and 6 Clips

Position 6: Semi Transparent Blue Dye - Sub Frame Rail Front

Position 7: Semi Transparent Blue Dye - Inside Sub Frame Rail

The following 3 clips are Bolted to the Firewall side of the Sub Frame Cross Member

Left Position: Semi Transparent Green Dye

Center-Left Position: Clear Zinc

Center-Right Position: Clear Zinc


Restoration / Re: Latest creation PF-25 Assembly line oil filter
« on: June 12, 2020, 02:25:29 PM »

"These filters were “borrowed” by a GM Framingham plant employee back then. He then put a racing sticker on to cover his tracks. When I received them someone tried to peel the sticker off. One filter had a trace of the AC logo. There was no blue or red ring on either filter. I stripped the filters , repainted and re-stenciled.

Any photos to share?

Restoration / Re: Latest creation PF-25 Assembly line oil filter
« on: June 11, 2020, 05:59:24 AM »
This assembly line correct oil filter re-creation is based on on original service replacement PF-25 oil filter that's been re-stenciled. I commissioned the stencils for my 1969 Z project and Doc has a couple of those stencils. See Posts 280 to 284 in my TC build thread

Originality / Re: Correct size T bolts for leaf springs
« on: June 08, 2020, 02:04:26 PM »
Original T-bolts are 1.25" and I have not seen a difference between those used for mono leaf vs multi leaf applications.

Untitled by Lloyd Costley, on Flickr

Restoration / Re: 1969 Z Fuel Line Clips, Hoses and Fasteners
« on: May 23, 2020, 01:57:24 PM »
Great work Lloyd... beautiful!

Thanks James - high praise indeed coming from you!

Restoration / Re: 1969 Z Fuel Line Clips, Hoses and Fasteners
« on: May 23, 2020, 01:56:37 PM »
Great pics Lloyd, thanks for posting.  Curious as to why you decided to change the front two clips from natural or clear zinc noted in your take-off pic early in the thread to the translucent blue at install?

Fair question. I did some further investigation and from other examples I was shown I concluded the front clips (engine compartment) were blue rather than non-colored. Engine heat cycles, the effects of oil as a solvent and environmental elements dissolved the color finish over time. 

Restoration / Re: 1969 Z Fuel Line Clips, Hoses and Fasteners
« on: May 22, 2020, 01:53:39 PM »
I've completed restoration of the clips for the 3/8" fuel line on my 69Z project, so for the sake of completeness I'm posting the end result for reference (front to back routing):

Engine Compartment: 2 blue (semi-transparent) 3/8" clips (closed loop)

Outside Right (front) Sub frame Rail: 2 blue (semi-transparent) 3/8" clips (closed loop)

Underbody against pinch weld seam: 1 black chromate 3/8" clip (hoop style)
Not photographed

Underbody, Front of Leaf Spring Bucket: 1 clear zinc plated clip with large end of clip facing front of car

Inside (rear) Frame Rail: 2 black chromate 3/8" clips (hoop style)

Top of (rear) Frame Rail: 1 manganese phosphated bracket secured with 1" non self tapping bolt

Restoration / Re: Fuel Sending Unit Details - Tape and Sleeve
« on: May 19, 2020, 03:32:29 PM »
A few of the previous photos make the tape appear to be -(I think they are Lloyds) crepe paper and appear to be over 1/2" maybe 9/16-5/8" wide, and then a couple appear like the thin plastic tape with fiber backing and appear to be under 1/2" -maybe 3/8 -7/16 wide ?
Am I making the wrong judgement as far as sizes and composition of tape go? 

The photo of my sender seems show a crepe / masking tape style tape much like in Reply #21. 

Restoration / Re: Fuel Sending Unit Details - Tape and Sleeve
« on: May 17, 2020, 05:01:35 PM »
I should have my hands on 3M Temflex Friction  1755 by next week

ALL, I got a Roll of the 3M 1755 & it is more like the tape used to serve the rear light harness in the trunk, cloth fiber -vs- crepe

still looking,,,,,,,,,

Jim, to clarify are you looking for a crepe-style tape or fiber-cloth?

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