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31  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Order of assembly when painting car on: March 14, 2014, 03:29:52 PM
Just finishing the paint and body on my '69 RS.  I had previously finished all of the mechanical work including removing of front sub frame, engine, transmission, rear end, springs, gas tank and restoring those items as necessary.  Following pictures highlight the process that began on 3 September of last year.  Seats, windshield, rear glass came out of the car.  Carpet, headliner, dash, and console stayed in.

Hope to pick the up the car by end of the month.  Car is basically complete now with the exception of rebuilding the hide away headligt doors.  The shop owner and I decided this week that we didn't like the way the doors were gapped - replacing all of the bushings and wear hardware in the headlight doors to get the doors as square as possible and gapped properly.

Last two pictures in the 3rd post below were taken on 12 March (2 days ago).

Pictures 1 - 4
32  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Well My Camaro online Compadres, Time for a fight of my Life! on: March 04, 2014, 01:39:47 PM
We're all praying for you Danny -

33  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: How long have you owned your Camaro? on: February 28, 2014, 05:57:56 PM
....and in Feb 2014 - getting close to being finished with paint and body.....
34  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: How long have you owned your Camaro? on: February 28, 2014, 05:49:30 PM
I have owned my '69 RS since 1 Nov 1991 when I told the Ms. that if "you'd let me buy it......"

As it looked then in May 1992:
35  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Pretty Cool Ole Car on: February 27, 2014, 06:46:22 AM
As for the $2 vs $77 registration increase, that increase is over 45 years and in the same 45 years GM has increased the price of a new Z/28 from around $4,000 to a whopping $75,000. Another government plot? Think not. Oh and GM would be out of business today if not for a bail out instituted your elected politicians

To some degree - yes.  A large part of that  increase was a direct result of federal gov't. mandated emission and safety standards.
36  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Are There Any "Off Limit" Areas in Your Restoration? on: February 24, 2014, 11:20:42 AM
I am just now finishing the paint and body project I've always wanted to do on my '69 RS since I purchased it in Nov 1991.  When I first acquired the car it had already been repainted and the original engine was long gone.

As I have owned the car over the years my intent has been to maintain an original appearance.  That began with acquiring a '69 Camaro 327 engine to replace the non-original, non-Camaro engine that was in the car when I acquired it.

Over the years my attitude has modified slightly - especially when it came down to the $$$$$ for the paint and body work.  Since my car is neither an  "all original" or "big dollar" car I decided to improve on original if it made sense.  This had included powder coating many pieces including the inner fenders, license plate brackets, misc. brackets, and the wheels.  (Obvious departure from original factory.)

I also had the DX1 stripe put on the car and unlike original the stripe is under the clear coat to achieve a smooth slick finish as opposed to being on top.  Then come to think about it - I can 't replicate the original factory paint anyway - no longer available - and with the base coat / clear coat systems available today - trying to replicate a late '60's laquer system to me wouldn't be the way to go - even if you could.

So although the car still basically looks original, and due to it just being a "nice secretary's car" (as one guy described it to me at a show last year - I asked him where his '69 Camaro was - he turned and walked away) for my money I wanted to improve on factory if it made sense to me to do so.

Partial VIN under the cowl got painted with the body - didn't hurt a thing - clearly visible after paint.

My car has a B and X11 crayon marks in the interior.  They have been left as found - covered when necessary during painting.

Good luck with your project.
37  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: GM silver for Rally wheels. on: February 20, 2014, 11:18:31 PM
..... a set of powder coated wheels in the correct argent silver on my impala. While they will never rust I have a couple of issues with them. Along with the wheels and anything else as Gary mentioned powder coated items have a different sheen to them, so on the wheels it looks like a slight orange peel affect.

I had my wheels powder coated semi-gloss black on the back side and OD first (which is how they were originally), then argent silver on the front.  As far as I am concerned, they came out very nice.  Finish looks good to me.  Comparing them to my spare (which I did not powder coat - left original), the only difference I note is the difference between "new" color on my four wheels vs. a "45 year old color" on the spare.  The slight difference in sheen in my mind is simply a difference in age.

38  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: '68 D91 stripe vs 396 Emblems on: February 17, 2014, 08:26:08 PM
I just covered the same ground with my '69 RS.  Getting close to finishing a 6 month paint and body project.  In my case I was having the DX1 stripe applied to my car.  I've seen pictures where the bottom of the stripe comes up to the bottom of the engine emblem and then there is a large gap above the engine emblem.  I've also seen pictures of cars where the stripe gap is spaced more or less evenly above and below the engine emblem.  For me it wasn't a question of what is technically correct.  For my money, having an equal gap above and below the engine emblem looks much better than the alternative - but then again that's just my preference, which with a $1.50 might buy you a cup of coffee.

That being said, the aftermarket stencil kit left a lot to be desired.  In several places, edges did not align properly across sheetmetal requiring a lot of finesse with blue tape to not only get the edges correct but to get the gap I wanted.

Pics below show during the stencil "finesse" process and after base coat / clear coat.

Good luck

39  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: 69 brake booster with drums on: February 01, 2014, 09:44:45 PM
Drum brake master cylinder for power brakes (p/n 5460465) has dual bleed valves, one for front and one for rear, due to the master cylinder being mounted at an incline when bolted to the booster.  The correct master cylinder (if configured / rebuilt properly) also has RPV's (Residual Pressure Valves - a type of check valve) internally at each connection behind the seats.    The RPV's prevent pressure bleed down back into the master cylinder and keep the shoes properly positioned.  No proportioning valve needed.

Attached link has some good information and used to have some attachments which for some reason are no longer there.

Maybe Kurt or one of the other moderators can address the missing attachments.
40  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: engine block 3782870 9x3157 on: January 24, 2014, 10:19:18 PM
Thanks gentlemen!
 Back in '65, were Canadian blocks suffix-coded any differently than U.S. blocks?

If you mean McKinnon-built engines, no - the only difference was the first character (it was a "K" instead of "F" or "T").

OK John, you've taught me something new again.. Smiley   Until now, I've known *nothing* about a Canadian engine foundry for Chevy.  What years were Chevy engines built at McKinnon?  I've never seen an engine so marked... (perhaps because I've always lived in the southern US, and never seen a Canadian built 'old' Chevy)...  but being the curious sort, I did a little search and found several references to the McKinnon plant, and this entry on 'GM plants', which had quite a bit of detail on McKinnon Industries.

An additional reference:

When I purchased my '69 RS in Nov 1991, although it had a 327 in it, it wasn't the correct '69 Camaro 327.  In April 1994 I was fortunate enough to pull a 327 from a '69 Camaro Coupe that was being parted out - complete engine, that is everything except for the heads - which I found a couple of years later in a '69 full size Chevy (Impala as I recall).  I later realized that although I had the correct heads with the correct markings, accessory mounting holes, casting number, etc. that they had actually been manufacdtured by McKinnon Industries and are clearly marked Canada - refer to the attached link and pictures below.

Not sure how those Canadian heads wound up in a full size '69 Chevy in a junkyard in south Louisiana - but they did.
41  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: crayon marks behind rear seat on: January 24, 2014, 10:12:05 PM
My 01C Norwood built '69 RS; X1 and what looks like a B to the left of the X
42  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Temperature sensor question on: January 02, 2014, 08:25:46 AM
In my mind locating the sensor in the head instead of the intake always made good sense - sensor will always be in the coolant flow; hot or cold engine; normal or low coolant level, etc.  I'd find the correct sensor for the head.
43  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: HELP: Conflicting 1969 Camaro Powertrain REAR AXLE Availablities on: January 02, 2014, 08:17:14 AM
...... and stamping a on the OD of the pinion gear.

correction to my previous post - should be ".....OD of ring gear..."
44  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: HELP: Conflicting 1969 Camaro Powertrain REAR AXLE Availablities on: January 01, 2014, 03:22:44 PM
My NOR 01C 69 RS probably had a 307 in it originally (original engine had been removed by the time I purchased the car in 1991 and replaced with a 327).  It still has the original PG transmission and open rear end with 2.73 gears.  Gearing verified by axle code and stamping a on the OD of the pinion gear.  Can supply pictures later if needed.  Currently at 33,000 ft traveling on business and don't have pics with me.
45  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Trim Tag on: December 16, 2013, 04:18:57 PM
Found this link on the topic from 2007 that might be of interest as well:

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