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61  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 69' Z/28 on eBay, Has no Tach?? on: August 25, 2013, 07:29:39 PM
A tach or special instrumentation was technically a mandatory Z/28 option as of early 1969. For some reason cars were built as late as May without either so there must have been a parts shortage or many existing orders in the system at the time.
62  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 spiral shocks on: August 24, 2013, 01:26:43 PM
Based on a few BBCs be aware that automatics likely used different rear shocks-TN 3192832-for '69 at least and they are spec'd manual/automatic in old P & A manuals. I do not know if 832 and 851 were ever available as service parts; they are not on the Dec '71 listing I have.
63  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Caveat Emptor on: August 24, 2013, 08:17:25 AM
I strongly question N589611 being a genuine Z11.

The CRG db has over 5% of the total and that VIN was built 5 weeks prior to the earliest known cars.
64  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Caveat Emptor on: August 20, 2013, 08:29:43 PM
An obvious re-tag.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/69-Camaro-Convertible-Pace-Car-/330997278536?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4d10f9a748
65  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1969 - Orphans / L78 Camaro SS 9N644727 on: August 19, 2013, 05:59:48 PM
Still around?
66  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Exhaust on: August 17, 2013, 09:37:11 AM
Removing obsolete inventory due to a current model year engineering change is SOP in any manufacturing plant. Engineering paperwork is routed through Production Control as there may be inventory at the source, in transit and on the line. The disposition of that material has to be determined: use up, scrap, ship to GMPD. I bought a complete NC8 set up from a Chevy dealer in 1975 so they must have diverted it for service usage.

May 19, 1969 was a Monday so I will venture to say all NC8 componentry was removed from Norwood & Van Nuys and sent to GMPD over the weekend.

Another wrinkle to the NC8 story has recently come to light. I correspond with a guy that has devoted much of the past 30 years or so to the pursuit of original 1969 Camaros and OE parts. He has examined several 2nd design original exhaust cars and early LH tailpipes were not 2-piece construction. It appears Chevy had standard N10 LH tailpipes polished and flash-chromed in order to meet the May 19 date. Later cars and service parts were the 2-piece construction. 
67  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Hot August Nights Barrett Jackson - 69 black Z on: August 11, 2013, 12:19:00 PM
Hammered for $69,500.

It was at Scottsdale 2013, disclosed as a repro tag. Reported hammer price there was $100,000.
68  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 spare wheel on: August 03, 2013, 09:21:26 AM
So on the car that Jerry inspected they added the headlight trim, tail light trim and wheel well moulding, and then Jerry didn't call any of that out?

It's common for owners to display a Camaro Hi- Performance certificate. The inspection always includes a listing of non-original parts and incorrect features if it is a restoration. I'm sure it was noted.
69  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: '67 Steel Wheels - L30/M20 on: August 03, 2013, 09:11:09 AM
14" x 6" wheels were optional [P12 $5.30] and included with tire options PQ2 and PW6.
70  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Vin in data base on: July 11, 2013, 08:00:20 PM
no
71  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z28 Engine Bay Pic's on: July 09, 2013, 06:32:23 PM
The installation requirement in the AIM is "Tune-up sticker must be readable from front of vehicle" so either works but A/C cars could not have it on the core support.
72  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z28 Engine Bay Pic's on: July 09, 2013, 12:35:02 PM
Nope. Other than the cover and possibly a feature car color was rare in magazines back in the '60s. The only color engine photo I recall was the L78 in the Mr Bardahl '68 Camaro SS.

As for Car Life and the cross-ram you have to wonder what they expected. The test car had exhaust manifolds and 4.10 gears-even a stock Z/28 was a mutt with that setup. The July '68 Car and Driver had a '68 Z/28 from Chevy engineering with everything imaginable. The engineer with the car stated the cross-ram was for track use only, designed to work at sustained high rpm. That's 1,200 cfm of carburation. I bought the remains of a T/A car in the '80s and the owner said even on the track a cross-ram was hard to drive.
73  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Engine hook bolts on manifold on: July 07, 2013, 11:14:00 AM
Lift hooks on engines with aluminum intakes are known to have been brush-painted to match during assembly.
74  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67 exhaust system questions on: July 06, 2013, 09:10:04 AM
No chambered but there was the N61 "deep-tone" dual exhaust option; n/c on SS models. It eliminated the resonators and used a different muffler.
75  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Remove trim tag or not ? on: July 01, 2013, 09:34:44 PM
Kind of amusing to read the responses here.

I've seen re-bodied cars and Dynacorn bodies with swapped VINs sell for six figures at major auctions. Repro tags with altered provenance are common. Someone wants to clean up the rust under a '68 tag with no build configuration info on it whatsoever and paranoia reigns.

The sky won't fall if the tag is removed.
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