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31  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Database info on: May 11, 2014, 11:33:50 AM
William, what info do you have? Thanks.

Kurt is the keeper of the db. I'm sure he will address this.
32  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Database info on: May 11, 2014, 11:32:56 AM
If you pull the back up lamps you can tell if the cutouts were punched or if they were sawn, ground, & filed, this would be the most difficult original thing to replicate...

My original Z/28-RS had the rear body panel replaced during the restoration as did many Z11s.
33  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Database info on: May 10, 2014, 11:12:37 AM
As for that discussion RS can easily be undetectably retrofitted to a Camaro.
34  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Database info on: May 10, 2014, 08:47:38 AM
Yes N514559, no L516132.
35  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1969 B.U. rear end on: May 02, 2014, 05:27:24 PM
The last 09A Camaro was final assembled on or about September 11. N687xxx is around the earliest VIN for that axle date.
36  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Nice Restoration on: April 13, 2014, 12:07:51 PM
No optional 15" tires at all. Most Z/28s/COPO 9737 received E70 x 15 Goodyear WTGTs, some were built with Firestone Sport Car 200. 
37  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Nice Restoration on: April 13, 2014, 10:42:26 AM
PL4 F70 X 14 FG belted white lettered tires were added to the Camaro RPO list early April 1969. There's no question those tires were commercially available before that time but they were not a Camaro option until April. This car was final-assembled on or about June 20, 1969 and could have been ordered with them. Not only is PL4 a rare option, several manufacturers offered them. A documented COPO with PL4 has Firestone tires.   
38  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Nice Restoration on: April 12, 2014, 08:16:08 AM
The quality of the work is outstanding. The accuracy of the restoration is lacking; they should have consulted with someone that knew Ď69s better than they did. There are a number of errors; some stuff can easily be corrected, some canít. 
39  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Paint decode for 69 on: March 31, 2014, 05:22:10 PM
The car sounds ok based on the data. The VIN fits the 01B build date; engine date of January 8 is also in range. The partial VIN would be stamped next to the oil filter, not on the deck. The car may have had a Hurst Super Shifter in it at one time, requiring the tunnel mods. Rear axle is not original as the 3969341 casting entered production around August 1969.

Get a good photo of the body tag. Usually easy to tell if it has been off the car.
40  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Paint decode for 69 on: March 31, 2014, 12:54:36 PM
A vinyl roof covering required Fisher Body to weld studs above the drip rails to retain the molding clips. If they were added later they would be the screw-in phillips head style. Possible but not something a body shop is likely to duplicate. Would require some dismantling but could answer your question.

Are you certain the body tag is original to the car? What is the tag date and VIN?
41  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: info on yenko/copo's on: March 21, 2014, 12:35:28 PM
I don't see where William said when the first COPO was built.

That would be the first COPO 9561 Camaro. It should be noted that there has always been controversy surrounding it because the "paperwork" was manually typed. Its VIN is just prior to the 1st Yenko.
42  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Lower Rev LO rod for '69 Z28 (late) on: March 12, 2014, 07:39:20 PM
3955773 is for 302/350. 3955776 is 396/427.
43  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Cowl Tag Check on: February 18, 2014, 07:36:51 PM
It is still listed on the B-J website: "This car has been rebodied."

It was disclosed at consignment and has been a long-running topic on another site. This took place many years ago, prior to body tags being recognized as having importance. The OE tag may still be on the OE body.

Another disclosed ZL1 re-body sold at B-J 2012 for far more.
44  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Cowl Tag Check on: February 18, 2014, 07:10:03 PM
The tag is a reproduction for ZL1 #27 N609965. The car sold at B-J Scottsdale 2009 for $319,000. Since it was disclosed as a re-body at the auction it could be said the entire car is effectively a reproduction. I believe the VIN tag is OE.

It has been stated many times previously but bears repeating: there is NO direct correlation between body tag date and body number. The number had nothing to do with production scheduling. Cars built virtually at the same time can have tag numbers 20,000 units apart. The Gibb ZL1s were ordered at the same time and with one exception have sequential body numbers. They were not scheduled in numerical order and built December 27, 1968-March 24, 1969 a span of 88 calendar days. During that time over 66,000 Camaros were built.

This is also a good example of a body tag date not being an absolute indicator of final assembly. N609965 came off the line on or about March 5, 1969.
45  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor on: February 16, 2014, 05:23:02 PM
Since both cars have altered tags there is no way to know original build configuration. Buyer beware.
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