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31  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: July 1969 Norwood shutdown on: May 25, 2014, 04:10:42 PM
The Norwood plant shutdown at the close of business Friday July 11 and resumed production Monday August 11. VINs after approximately N669119 were final-assembled in August.

The NCRS dates I'm seeing don't exactly match up to the last VIN produced for the month records from Chevrolet. Depends on how it was defined for shipping/invoicing purposes.
32  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: WHAT IS THE CRGS OPINION ON THIS COPO on: May 25, 2014, 01:43:40 PM

As an organization the CRG does not render opinions on specific cars. Our members may voice an opinion as individuals, still a free country last I checked.
33  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: late 69 VIN tag on: May 22, 2014, 07:56:03 PM
It's there under many layers of paint.
34  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 z/28 JL8 Camaro? on: May 18, 2014, 08:09:23 PM
No one has a VIN listing of factory JL-8 cars. Since conversion parts were sold by Chevrolet for years it isn't all that difficult to build one and several have been done. So you really need paperwork to claim originality.

Wayne doesn't seem too involved these days but you should get a copy of his book Camaro Untold Secrets. It's the best source for detailed engineering info on all the racing equipment Chevy developed for the cars. Another JL8 wizard was Larry Hooten out of Louisiana. Haven't spoken with him in years, don't know if he is still involved.

I briefly had a JL8 Z/28 in the '70s. It was Hugger Orange, Orange Houndstooth. Sold new out of Dale Chev here in WI. No idea what happened to it. Dale also had a Daytona Yellow Yellow Houndstooth Z/28-RS that a bud owned.
35  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Dealer versus Customer Order on: May 18, 2014, 04:24:59 PM
Emmert Chev in Detroit ordered 20 COPO 9561 Camaros for stock; 10 of them were special paint.

So it wasn't all of them but few dealers probably wanted to bother with it.

36  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Dealer versus Customer Order on: May 18, 2014, 12:07:31 PM
I worked for a former Chevrolet dealer for several years and heard many an interesting story about dealing with Chevrolet from the perspective of a dealer.

Fundamentally the factory can’t ‘stock’ finished goods although some had sales banks. So the dealerships had to hold the inventory. Also, you can’t sell from an empty cart so you have to have something for the pre-sold buyer that wanders in one day. Even in those days the composition of a dealer’s inventory was statistically driven by many factors: geographical location, average income, color preferences and so on. If Chevrolet found it had excessive inventory of slow-moving options dealers would be encouraged to order them.

I have copies of much of the paperwork from that dealership; they sold 99 1969 Camaros. The order form has a field for the customer’s name for ‘sold’ orders. Of the 99 28 were noted as sold, a bit over 28%. The remainder were ordered for stock and included Z/28s, SS and one Z11. To me anyway it is obvious why many of the 28 were special ordered-4 were Z/28s. Here are some of the others:

•   A67 GT1 L22 VE3
•   loaded SS $4413 list
•   C05 D55 D90 F41 G80 J52 L65 M20 N40 N65 PL5
•   A01 D33 D55 J52 N10 N40 U17 U63 ZJ7 Z22 Z87  
•   69 69 727  D55 M40 N40 PK8 U63 Z22 Z23
•   72 72 720 C60 D55 D90 J50 L65 M40 N40 PY4 U63 ZJ7 ZJ9 Z21 Z87
•   A01 C50 D33 D55 D96 PW7 T60 U35

For the most part they had unusual or many options and/or non-mainstream paint & trim.

37  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1969 Z28, One Owner Carolina Blue Crossram JL8 on: May 16, 2014, 07:18:07 PM
Probably had his wing man bid it just short of reserve. Yawn...
38  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Database info on: May 11, 2014, 11:33:50 AM
William, what info do you have? Thanks.

Kurt is the keeper of the db. I'm sure he will address this.
39  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Database info on: May 11, 2014, 11:32:56 AM
If you pull the back up lamps you can tell if the cutouts were punched or if they were sawn, ground, & filed, this would be the most difficult original thing to replicate...

My original Z/28-RS had the rear body panel replaced during the restoration as did many Z11s.
40  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Database info on: May 10, 2014, 11:12:37 AM
As for that discussion RS can easily be undetectably retrofitted to a Camaro.
41  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Database info on: May 10, 2014, 08:47:38 AM
Yes N514559, no L516132.
42  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1969 B.U. rear end on: May 02, 2014, 05:27:24 PM
The last 09A Camaro was final assembled on or about September 11. N687xxx is around the earliest VIN for that axle date.
43  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Nice Restoration on: April 13, 2014, 12:07:51 PM
No optional 15" tires at all. Most Z/28s/COPO 9737 received E70 x 15 Goodyear WTGTs, some were built with Firestone Sport Car 200. 
44  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Nice Restoration on: April 13, 2014, 10:42:26 AM
PL4 F70 X 14 FG belted white lettered tires were added to the Camaro RPO list early April 1969. There's no question those tires were commercially available before that time but they were not a Camaro option until April. This car was final-assembled on or about June 20, 1969 and could have been ordered with them. Not only is PL4 a rare option, several manufacturers offered them. A documented COPO with PL4 has Firestone tires.   
45  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Nice Restoration on: April 12, 2014, 08:16:08 AM
The quality of the work is outstanding. The accuracy of the restoration is lacking; they should have consulted with someone that knew ‘69s better than they did. There are a number of errors; some stuff can easily be corrected, some can’t. 
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