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1141  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct finish(es) on 69 12-bolt Camaro rear on: March 08, 2006, 01:05:52 PM
Actually Dave I doubt they looked that good!
1142  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Tilt Wheel in 68 Z/28? on: March 08, 2006, 01:04:01 PM
Yes tilt wheel was available with Z/28 equipment.
1143  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 z/28 x-77 trunk mat on: March 07, 2006, 01:13:13 PM
Nope, custom interior only. X77 has nothing to do with a trunk mat.
1144  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct finish(es) on 69 12-bolt Camaro rear on: March 05, 2006, 10:52:32 AM
The 12-bolt pinion flange was redesigned for '69. The new design used retaining straps rather than the 67-68 u-bolt & nut and was larger, the reason driveshaft length changed. All 69 12-bolt axles used the same flange.

Don't forget the axle code labels the factory pasted on one or both brake drums, seen on page 166 of Jerry's excellent 1969 Camaro book.
1145  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct finish(es) on 69 12-bolt Camaro rear on: March 02, 2006, 08:10:12 PM
The March '68 Hi-Perf Cars has a feature on a B-M 427 Camaro with probably the best one. The drum is clearly all black as is the center of the axle flange. The single retaining clip on one of the studs is visible and obviously not painted.

The May '68 Rodder & Super Stock has a smaller, similar photo of a '67 that shows essentially the same thing.

May '68 Super Street Cars shows a drum with little more than overspray on the face. The circumference appears to be thoroughly painted.

The May '69 Hot Rod shows the same as above. The angle is better and slight overspray can be seen on the axle flange.

It is not possible to determine if the studs on any of these were painted. It would have been simple to mask them.
1146  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct finish(es) on 69 12-bolt Camaro rear on: March 02, 2006, 01:49:58 PM
Drums were painted black with the axle. Several vintage magazines have photos that clearly show this. Hot Rod did a road test and subsequent mods to a '69 Z/28. The photos of the T-bar installation show the drums were black.
1147  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 ZL2 Coil Bracket: How to ID? on: February 26, 2006, 12:13:51 PM
For whatever it is worth the ZL2 coil bracket is the same one used on the 275/327 engine 66-67.
1148  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1967 SS 427 "Could this be?" on: February 24, 2006, 01:09:03 PM
Dana Chevrolet and Bill Thomas Engineering, both in CA also did a few. Nickey in IL also. Car Life magazine tested a 427 Dana Camaro.

If the car can be documented as a 427 conversion it is quite valuable.
1149  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: EARLY 69 CAMARO on: February 21, 2006, 07:30:30 PM
There are 6 earlier Norwood VINs in the db. Going to be tough to beat N500003, a Z/28.

There are 8 earlier Los Angeles VINs including a few 08As.
1150  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 X77 code Camaro Many fact questions. on: February 19, 2006, 01:40:14 PM
69 Z/28 and SS cars built with N40 had the same ratio acomplished by a longer pitman arm and shorter steering arms. There was only 1 power steering gear used for all 1969 Camaros.

Z/28 equipment included fast ratio steering, again acomplished by linkage changes. The gear was the same manual gear used on any other non-ps Camaro. Apparently it was possible to order a Z/28 with N44 for an even faster ratio; I have seen it on a Z/28 window sticker and assume it is the 17:1 gear mentioned in the Jan 1970 Car Life article on the Penske Camaros. Why anyone would want that escapes me. Standard manual steering is bad enough.
1151  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1969 Z11 found need help on: February 12, 2006, 05:41:48 PM
Regardless of engine all Z11s built at Norwood [N in the VIN] have Z11 body tags.

Three 396 engines were available: L34 350 hp, L35 325 hp, L78 375 hp. The L78 could have also been ordered with L89 aluminum heads.

If the car does not have a/c check the location of the heater core tubes. On a big-block the tubes are in the center of the heater box cover next to the engine. The factory punched two holes in the cover and placed a collar with rubber gasket over the tubes. If the car was a small-block the tubes are next to the cover, nearly behind the engine.

Another indicator is the fuel line. If there are 2, the car was built with a QJ carb and could not be an L78.

Things being how they are today this is all academic. A bb Z11 needs original paperwork to be taken seriously.
1152  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: SS small or big block on: February 11, 2006, 11:40:48 AM
The only way to know for sure is to buy a car that has original factory paperwork such as a window sticker or protectoplate. Although there is repo paperwork it is quite obvious that it is not original.

Assuming a Camaro is an original SS or Z/28 based on equipment or body tag info is not wise. There are some perfectly executed clones out there. Which begs the question: If no one can tell, what's the difference?
1153  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: SS350 3 speed production figures on: February 02, 2006, 07:32:41 PM
A friend owned a Chevy dealership back then; I have copies of the '67-'69 Camaro paperwork.

3 of the '69 Camaro SS they stocked were 3 speeds. One of them also had a ducted hood and wheel covers, a really odd combination of options.

If the VIN of your car ends in 577, 347 or 970 I could have good news.

A truly rare 3-speed known to the CRG is a documented 325/396 69 Camaro SS, unfortunately no longer in that configuration.
1154  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Lug wrench color? on: January 31, 2006, 01:04:54 PM
Black
1155  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1969 factory Hurst 4-spd shifter and linkage on: January 30, 2006, 07:15:21 PM
I would say it is out of hand.

We still had a complete '69 Z/28 shifter in '97 when I left the Camaro biz. Rods, swivel, attaching hardware, everything. Couldn't give it away.

We finally did get $800 for the rebuilt drum-to drum 3:73 12 bolt posi though....
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