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1141  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67/8/9 lower control arms on: December 20, 2005, 10:21:03 PM
67 arms have spot welded nuts for the lower shock mount. 69s used a J-nut.
1142  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1969 L78 camaro convertable on: December 20, 2005, 01:21:45 PM
I have paperwork copies for 3 [Frost green, Burnished brown, Z11] and know of 2 more. That's 5. 11 is a number someone pulled out of the air, like the "only 34" bb Z11s.

No one knows, not even Chevrolet.
1143  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Catalytic converters on 69' Camaro ! on: December 18, 2005, 12:06:17 PM
Here in Wisconsin [Milwaukee & 3 adjoining counties] 1968-up must go through emissions testing unless the car has collectors tags, available to vehicles over 20 years old. Applying for collector status requires a final test. Rural areas generally do not require testing.

HP cars can be a problem. I have heard of all sorts of schemes such as testing the car with a different engine.
1144  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: REAR END DATE on: December 13, 2005, 01:17:45 PM
Ok now I understand.

Every Camaro with paperwork is a fake 'cuz Wayne sez so.
1145  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: REAR END DATE on: December 13, 2005, 11:45:09 AM
Any Camaro witha rearend more than a couple weeks out from build date makes me figure that things got changed.

So you are stating that the 2 owner 67 Z/28 with POP and 100% OE drivetrain, purchased in 1987 long before repro anything is bogus because you say so.

So you are stating that the 2 owner 69 L78 with POP and OE drivetrain, purchased in 1981 long before repro anything is bogus because you say so.

As for SS cars, the 3-speed floor shift was standard equipment.

You need to learn the difference between fact and opinion. When you have some facts feel free to share them.
1146  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: REAR END DATE on: December 12, 2005, 01:24:27 PM
For the 1969 model year there were 243,085 Camaros manufactured. Do not form opinions about them because you've looked at 50 cars.
1147  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 X77 code Camaro Many fact questions. on: December 12, 2005, 01:19:31 PM
First gen Camaros have what GM identified as a "steering knuckle" same L-R. The steering arms bolted to the knuckles. I believe 2nd gens have a 1-pc assembly.
1148  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: REAR END DATE on: December 11, 2005, 06:35:59 PM
In my experience much of what people assume about drivetrain date codes relative to the car is incorrect.

Our 06E '67 Z/28 had a July 6 engine, a March 20 rear axle and a June 23 trans. All OE components, POP to back it up. A good thing too since conventional wisdom would have people believing the axle was not original. The car also had its original alternator dated December 1966.

A fluke? Nope. I have the POP from a friends' long-lost 06A L78 car:  April 29 engine, May 6 axle, March 14 trans.
1149  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 X77 code Camaro Many fact questions. on: December 11, 2005, 06:22:46 PM
Nope, about 99.99% of 1969 Camaros used the same manual or power steering gear. If you ordered N44 on a non-SS/Z/28 the only difference was the longer pitman/shorter steering arms. Drum brake N44 cars received different backing plates.

1150  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 1968 U80 Speaker Grille on: December 09, 2005, 03:54:38 PM
It was painted with the same finish as the top of the dash, interior color with suede additive.
1151  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 X77 code Camaro Many fact questions. on: November 24, 2005, 12:22:47 PM
Z/28 standard fast-ratio steering was acomplished by steering linkage changes. The standard manual steering gear was utilized with a longer pitman arm and shorter steering arms.

Z/28s ordered with N44 [very few] also had a fast-ratio manual steering gear. It makes for miserable driving.

All 1969 Camaros with power steering used the same steering gear. Z/28s & SS so equipped used the fast ratio linkage pieces. A Z/28 with ps will have a pump with a deep groove pulley.
1152  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Trunk Spatter Paint Color for 1st Gens. on: November 18, 2005, 08:05:07 PM
Correction:

The 11/71 rev of the R-M 1969 Chevrolet colors lists trunk paint as #844 black-gray-aqua multiflek.

We used it and it matched.
1153  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Black Firewall Paint on: November 18, 2005, 01:27:30 PM
There was an excellent book "The Great Camaro" written many years ago. In it there is an assembly line photo of the front sheet metal being positioned on a '67 body. The firewall is clearly body color.

The photo could be staged, could be a pilot car. Take it with a grain of salt. No one has seen every car built.
1154  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Trunk Spatter Paint Color for 1st Gens. on: November 18, 2005, 01:20:19 PM
The paint used was described in period refinshing literature as "blue-grey-aqua multi-fleck".

Having the correct paint is only half the battle. It is difficult to replicate the pattern and spatter size. Back in the '80s we used OE paint and never did get it to match in a side-by-side comparison with an original.
1155  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: CORRECT UNDER BODY COLOR on: November 11, 2005, 01:25:01 PM
I was fortunate to be involved in the restoration of 2 high-end cars: a '67 Z/28 and a '69 ZL1. You may be suprised to hear that under my direction NEITHER was done with any underbody overspray. Both have the nice uniform 30% gloss black finish.  My reasoning was that it is sort of expected [even 10 years ago] and it is difficult to reproduce overspray correctly given the limitations of most paint facilities.

Were I to get involved in another nut-and-bolt resto today [pass the Tums...] I would seriously consider it however. Brian Caudell did an orange COPO Camaro some years back with underbody overspray and did a nice job of it. 
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