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1126  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: EARLY 69 CAMARO on: February 21, 2006, 07:30:30 PM
There are 6 earlier Norwood VINs in the db. Going to be tough to beat N500003, a Z/28.

There are 8 earlier Los Angeles VINs including a few 08As.
1127  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 X77 code Camaro Many fact questions. on: February 19, 2006, 01:40:14 PM
69 Z/28 and SS cars built with N40 had the same ratio acomplished by a longer pitman arm and shorter steering arms. There was only 1 power steering gear used for all 1969 Camaros.

Z/28 equipment included fast ratio steering, again acomplished by linkage changes. The gear was the same manual gear used on any other non-ps Camaro. Apparently it was possible to order a Z/28 with N44 for an even faster ratio; I have seen it on a Z/28 window sticker and assume it is the 17:1 gear mentioned in the Jan 1970 Car Life article on the Penske Camaros. Why anyone would want that escapes me. Standard manual steering is bad enough.
1128  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1969 Z11 found need help on: February 12, 2006, 05:41:48 PM
Regardless of engine all Z11s built at Norwood [N in the VIN] have Z11 body tags.

Three 396 engines were available: L34 350 hp, L35 325 hp, L78 375 hp. The L78 could have also been ordered with L89 aluminum heads.

If the car does not have a/c check the location of the heater core tubes. On a big-block the tubes are in the center of the heater box cover next to the engine. The factory punched two holes in the cover and placed a collar with rubber gasket over the tubes. If the car was a small-block the tubes are next to the cover, nearly behind the engine.

Another indicator is the fuel line. If there are 2, the car was built with a QJ carb and could not be an L78.

Things being how they are today this is all academic. A bb Z11 needs original paperwork to be taken seriously.
1129  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: SS small or big block on: February 11, 2006, 11:40:48 AM
The only way to know for sure is to buy a car that has original factory paperwork such as a window sticker or protectoplate. Although there is repo paperwork it is quite obvious that it is not original.

Assuming a Camaro is an original SS or Z/28 based on equipment or body tag info is not wise. There are some perfectly executed clones out there. Which begs the question: If no one can tell, what's the difference?
1130  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: SS350 3 speed production figures on: February 02, 2006, 07:32:41 PM
A friend owned a Chevy dealership back then; I have copies of the '67-'69 Camaro paperwork.

3 of the '69 Camaro SS they stocked were 3 speeds. One of them also had a ducted hood and wheel covers, a really odd combination of options.

If the VIN of your car ends in 577, 347 or 970 I could have good news.

A truly rare 3-speed known to the CRG is a documented 325/396 69 Camaro SS, unfortunately no longer in that configuration.
1131  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Lug wrench color? on: January 31, 2006, 01:04:54 PM
Black
1132  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1969 factory Hurst 4-spd shifter and linkage on: January 30, 2006, 07:15:21 PM
I would say it is out of hand.

We still had a complete '69 Z/28 shifter in '97 when I left the Camaro biz. Rods, swivel, attaching hardware, everything. Couldn't give it away.

We finally did get $800 for the rebuilt drum-to drum 3:73 12 bolt posi though....
1133  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Re: Possible Axle swap on: January 28, 2006, 02:20:44 PM
Like John Z said. And why does a 307 'glide need 4.11s?

For the fold down conversion you will need both the backrest and cushion, both complete side panels, latch, floor brackets and the bracketry that retains the cardboard trim panel. Cutting and welding required. If the fold-down does not match the current interior plan on repro covers. The fold-down backrest is notched for the latch so a standard cover will not fit.
1134  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1969 factory Hurst 4-spd shifter and linkage on: January 26, 2006, 10:37:39 PM
You may have to expand your budget as this one rang the bell for $610. The '69 Z/28 is possibly the hottest collector car just now. Parts prices rise with the tide.

Hope you never need a '69 bb Hurst shifter. Those are over $2000.
1135  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Blue lite stero on: January 26, 2006, 07:21:30 PM
It plugs into the radio chassis.
1136  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1969 factory Hurst 4-spd shifter and linkage on: January 19, 2006, 01:35:32 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/69-Camaro-Z-28-SS-350-4speed-Shifter-Hurst-w-linkage_W0QQitemZ4605476878QQcategoryZ34208QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
1137  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Front Sheet Metal Paint/Assembly Sequence on: January 14, 2006, 07:05:34 PM
All the front sheetmetal was mounted loose on a buck in front of the body prior to paint. There is a photo of this in "The Great Firebird". After painting it was sent to an assembly area. That is why the cars' sequence number is usually written inside the lower grill panel.

I have done cars both ways with about the same result.

Apart takes more room and runs the risk of damaging the paint during assembly. Also if metallic paint is being used you run the risk of a mismatch with the body. Even GM did not always get this right. Everything has to be positioned exactly how it will be on the car.

Together requires much more careful masking and runs the risk of paint ending up where you don't want it.

I agree with your thinking-don't PO the painter.
1138  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Could this even be possible? DZ vin on: January 10, 2006, 09:27:06 PM
When Ford vertically integrated at River Rouge they went from iron ore to a finished car in 72 hours. That was in the 1920s.

Much is made of the Toyota Production System but even Toyota admits it was based on how Henry Ford built Model Ts.
1139  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Could this even be possible? DZ vin on: January 07, 2006, 01:16:03 PM
Sure.

As John Z has pointed out the date on the tag is when the body entered production, not when the car was assembled. Z/28s were in great demand so the factories worked OT to meet it. A few years ago there was some 69 Z/28 paperwork for sale on ebay. The car was delivered exactly 7 days after the engine was built.

Our 67 Z/28 was an 06E body with an engine stamp of V0706MO.
1140  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 Z/28 fuel line bracket on: January 04, 2006, 08:04:11 PM
I've been involved with 69s for 30+ years and a couple years ago I finally saw one, with remains of an 06A car. General concensus is it was a late addition [May-June 69] no matter the 10-31-68 date in the AIM. I know of several very nice original Z/28s without it.

I took photos but the bracket is too badly weathered to determine original finish. The car has been outside since 1978.
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