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1111  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: 69 Z/28 engine stands on: April 12, 2006, 12:11:09 PM
A couple of other signs you have the wrong mounts are the balancer very close to the stabilizer bar and the #5 spark plug right next to the PS gear.

The mounts have changed #s over the years. You need 69 302/350 or 69 396/427 mounts, same thing.

I learned this the hard way 30 years ago with a 69 Z/28.
1112  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: 69 Z/28 engine stands on: April 11, 2006, 12:25:04 PM
Hoo boy.

For 1969 Chevrolet used 2 sets of frame brackets and corresponding motor mount for small-block engines: 327 & 307 use the 67-68 small block brackets and non-interlock mount, 302 & 350 used frame brackets designed for the new interlock motor mount. The 302/350 brackets are shorter and narrower than the 67-68 brackets. The '69 interlock motor mount will not fit on the 67-68 frame bracket but the non-interlock mount will unfortunately fit [loosely] on the 69 frame brackets. If you do this expect clutch chatter and driveline vibration, the engine will be about 1" too low in the chassis.

Complicating the issue is the fact that service replacement 67-68 style motor mounts now have the interlocking feature. The best way to figure out what mount you need is to measure the width of the frame brackets and get motor mounts that are the same inside width-the correct mount is a tight fit on the stand. The 67-68 mount is about 1/4" wider than the 69 interlock frame bracket.

For the record SB & BB do share motor mounts but not frame brackets.
1113  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: What options came with the Z21 style trim group? on: April 09, 2006, 10:45:46 AM
To further complicate the issue Z10 & Z11s had orange Z/28 style stripes and D96 pinstripes, but not black rockers.

How they got all the trim/stripe/option color permutations straight on the line is a mystery to me. The only error I know of was ZL1 #59: black pin stripes on one side, white on the other.
1114  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: What options came with the Z21 style trim group? on: April 08, 2006, 12:52:53 PM
Mostly correct.

All '69s had the "lower rocker molding", style trim or not. Obviously convertibles did not have the drip rails. Z21 also included bright vertical trim on the tali lamps. Colors 51, 57, 61, 67 did not receive black rockers. The D96 pin stripes could be ordered on a car w/o style trim. If a car was ordered with Z21 and an optional stripe [D90, DX1] the pin stripes would not be applied.

RS included style trim. SS included some of the style trim features.
1115  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: '69 Camaro " - - " Paint Code Question on: April 07, 2006, 12:20:22 PM
The only known stripe colors for Z/28 are black & white. Orange for Z10 & Z11 only. There was discussion sometime back of a Burgundy Z/28 with red stripes but it did not have a special paint code.

There are a few -  - Z/28s with non-approved paint/stripe colors: a 71 71 car with black and a 52 52 car with white.
1116  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Orange houndstooth interior on: March 29, 2006, 10:06:59 PM
Around here [WI] an orange coupe interior was not unusual. 2 of the Z/28s I owned
[1 w/JL8] had it; there is another nearby. One of the 6 COPOs Dale Chev sold was orange/orange. We also parted out a black coupe with orange houndstooth.
1117  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: original wheel and tire combo on: March 13, 2006, 01:28:04 PM
YH wheels were used from roughly Dec '68 to the end of production. Prior to that wheels coded AD were used. The raised center formed in the rim to mount the hub on the ADs almost touches the caliper on JL8 cars. On YHs the raised area is narrower allowing more room on 4 wheel disc cars.
1118  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: VIN plate color on: March 13, 2006, 01:22:13 PM
That would explain why the tag was not always painted to match the dash top. I know of a fathom green/midnight green 69 with a black VIN tag.
1119  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Camaro Disc Brakes on: March 12, 2006, 03:29:35 PM
A good friend has a 10B [68] 69 Z/28. Has single piston calipers but does have a 346 master stamped US.
1120  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: VIN plate color on: March 11, 2006, 06:24:08 PM
68-69 VIN plates appear to have been dipped painted black after stamping. They were then supposed to painted with the top of the dash in the same suede finish and color prior to installation. This does not appear to have always taken place and is most noticeable on non-black interior cars. I have seen green, blue and red interior cars with black and matching color plates.
1121  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct finish(es) on 69 12-bolt Camaro rear on: March 08, 2006, 01:05:52 PM
Actually Dave I doubt they looked that good!
1122  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Tilt Wheel in 68 Z/28? on: March 08, 2006, 01:04:01 PM
Yes tilt wheel was available with Z/28 equipment.
1123  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 z/28 x-77 trunk mat on: March 07, 2006, 01:13:13 PM
Nope, custom interior only. X77 has nothing to do with a trunk mat.
1124  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct finish(es) on 69 12-bolt Camaro rear on: March 05, 2006, 10:52:32 AM
The 12-bolt pinion flange was redesigned for '69. The new design used retaining straps rather than the 67-68 u-bolt & nut and was larger, the reason driveshaft length changed. All 69 12-bolt axles used the same flange.

Don't forget the axle code labels the factory pasted on one or both brake drums, seen on page 166 of Jerry's excellent 1969 Camaro book.
1125  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct finish(es) on 69 12-bolt Camaro rear on: March 02, 2006, 08:10:12 PM
The March '68 Hi-Perf Cars has a feature on a B-M 427 Camaro with probably the best one. The drum is clearly all black as is the center of the axle flange. The single retaining clip on one of the studs is visible and obviously not painted.

The May '68 Rodder & Super Stock has a smaller, similar photo of a '67 that shows essentially the same thing.

May '68 Super Street Cars shows a drum with little more than overspray on the face. The circumference appears to be thoroughly painted.

The May '69 Hot Rod shows the same as above. The angle is better and slight overspray can be seen on the axle flange.

It is not possible to determine if the studs on any of these were painted. It would have been simple to mask them.
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