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1111  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Camaro metal dash replacement - will Nova work? on: April 27, 2006, 06:34:06 PM
69-78 X-body [Nova, Pontiac Phoenix, etc] did use the same basic dash structure as the Camaro but it does differ where the instrument cluster is located. The Camaro dash has some punched holes with welded bracketry along the right side of the opening, the Nova dash does not. The speaker grille also has a slightly different configuration.



1112  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 spare wheel on: April 20, 2006, 06:36:20 PM
E70 x 14 tires were never available as original equipment on a 1969 Camaro.

The standard size [non-SS or Z/28] was E78 x 14; F70 x 14 optional.

SS cars had F70 x 14 as the standard size; several varieties were optional.

Z/28s and COPOs also equipped with 9737 used E70 x 15. There were no 15" tire options.
1113  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 spare wheel on: April 19, 2006, 10:01:11 PM
All 5 wheel/tire assemblies matched unless the car was ordered with N65 space-saver spare, available only with 14" wheels.
1114  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 69 Z28 engine dates on: April 18, 2006, 12:27:04 PM
I have around 400 '69 Z/28 VIN/engine dates in my db. For the most part none of the rules apply to Z/28s.

A couple of factors are which plant assembled the car and when it was assembled.

Here is something to consider: There is paperwork showing a 2nd week February Z/28 was built with a 2nd week February engine. The car was delivered to the original owner exactly 1 week after the engine was assembled.

Our documented 06E '67 Z/28 had an engine built July 6th. Go figure.

Don't apply this to SHP big blocks; they defy logic. COPOs built within minutes of each other can have engine dates 5 weeks apart.
1115  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: 69 Z/28 engine stands on: April 14, 2006, 12:37:52 PM
Check for BB crossmember. Should have SB. Creates a different alignment problem.
1116  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 RS/SS L78 on: April 13, 2006, 08:59:16 PM
There were 34,922 Camaro SS built.

There were 37,773 Camaro RS built.

4,886 Camaro SS had the L78 engine.

How many had all three options is anyones guess. Chevrolet never furnished that info.
1117  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 350-300hp with 140-speedo..7k tach..? Help on: April 13, 2006, 12:51:41 PM
Almost certainly a repro 140. It has been available for some time.

The only known factory application for the 140 was COPO 9737 which also included 15" x 7" rally wheels with E70 x 15 tires and a 13/16" front stabilizer bar. It is believed 9737 was only available when COPO 9560 or 9561 was also ordered. The 5000 RPM red line 7000 RPM tach was supplied when a tachometer or special instrumentation was ordered with the 307, 327 or 350 engines.
1118  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: 69 Z/28 engine stands on: April 12, 2006, 12:11:09 PM
A couple of other signs you have the wrong mounts are the balancer very close to the stabilizer bar and the #5 spark plug right next to the PS gear.

The mounts have changed #s over the years. You need 69 302/350 or 69 396/427 mounts, same thing.

I learned this the hard way 30 years ago with a 69 Z/28.
1119  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: 69 Z/28 engine stands on: April 11, 2006, 12:25:04 PM
Hoo boy.

For 1969 Chevrolet used 2 sets of frame brackets and corresponding motor mount for small-block engines: 327 & 307 use the 67-68 small block brackets and non-interlock mount, 302 & 350 used frame brackets designed for the new interlock motor mount. The 302/350 brackets are shorter and narrower than the 67-68 brackets. The '69 interlock motor mount will not fit on the 67-68 frame bracket but the non-interlock mount will unfortunately fit [loosely] on the 69 frame brackets. If you do this expect clutch chatter and driveline vibration, the engine will be about 1" too low in the chassis.

Complicating the issue is the fact that service replacement 67-68 style motor mounts now have the interlocking feature. The best way to figure out what mount you need is to measure the width of the frame brackets and get motor mounts that are the same inside width-the correct mount is a tight fit on the stand. The 67-68 mount is about 1/4" wider than the 69 interlock frame bracket.

For the record SB & BB do share motor mounts but not frame brackets.
1120  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: What options came with the Z21 style trim group? on: April 09, 2006, 10:45:46 AM
To further complicate the issue Z10 & Z11s had orange Z/28 style stripes and D96 pinstripes, but not black rockers.

How they got all the trim/stripe/option color permutations straight on the line is a mystery to me. The only error I know of was ZL1 #59: black pin stripes on one side, white on the other.
1121  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: What options came with the Z21 style trim group? on: April 08, 2006, 12:52:53 PM
Mostly correct.

All '69s had the "lower rocker molding", style trim or not. Obviously convertibles did not have the drip rails. Z21 also included bright vertical trim on the tali lamps. Colors 51, 57, 61, 67 did not receive black rockers. The D96 pin stripes could be ordered on a car w/o style trim. If a car was ordered with Z21 and an optional stripe [D90, DX1] the pin stripes would not be applied.

RS included style trim. SS included some of the style trim features.
1122  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: '69 Camaro " - - " Paint Code Question on: April 07, 2006, 12:20:22 PM
The only known stripe colors for Z/28 are black & white. Orange for Z10 & Z11 only. There was discussion sometime back of a Burgundy Z/28 with red stripes but it did not have a special paint code.

There are a few -  - Z/28s with non-approved paint/stripe colors: a 71 71 car with black and a 52 52 car with white.
1123  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Orange houndstooth interior on: March 29, 2006, 10:06:59 PM
Around here [WI] an orange coupe interior was not unusual. 2 of the Z/28s I owned
[1 w/JL8] had it; there is another nearby. One of the 6 COPOs Dale Chev sold was orange/orange. We also parted out a black coupe with orange houndstooth.
1124  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: original wheel and tire combo on: March 13, 2006, 01:28:04 PM
YH wheels were used from roughly Dec '68 to the end of production. Prior to that wheels coded AD were used. The raised center formed in the rim to mount the hub on the ADs almost touches the caliper on JL8 cars. On YHs the raised area is narrower allowing more room on 4 wheel disc cars.
1125  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: VIN plate color on: March 13, 2006, 01:22:13 PM
That would explain why the tag was not always painted to match the dash top. I know of a fathom green/midnight green 69 with a black VIN tag.
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