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1096  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Window Sticker Font on: December 08, 2006, 11:34:15 AM
So for purposes of creating a replica window sticker, a 5 in front of the RPO code, along with any ECL from a sample found on a real window sticker should do the trick.

You must be joking.

I have been doing '69 ECL research for years and probably add a few every month.

While there are some specific to certain performance options there are many permutations of others. For example Z22 Rally-Sport Equipment currently has 20. One would think Pace Cars would use the same one; no such luck-there are at least 4. A specific performance option may have different ECLs with different engines.

I would go on but when I yap about ECLs Kurt S' BP goes way up.

Nothing wrong with doing a window sticker "recreation" but be aware that for 1969 Camaro used 2 forms [early-late]; both are different than other Chevrolet lines. Prices changed [Z/28: $458.15/$473.95/$506.60/$522.40], options were added/deleted during the year. Some options were not available with unrelated others. You will never get ECLs correct.

And based on what is brewing in the hobby you better note it as a "repro".

1097  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Spoiler AND Rear Antenna on: December 08, 2006, 11:09:33 AM
I have other photos of that car and know the story behind it.

It is the Styling mock-up car shown at the kick-off dinner. It also had black rockers.
1098  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Help decoding my 69 vin on: December 05, 2006, 09:20:41 PM
ps why did you say that A39 and A85 do not exist?

The codes may have been used elsewhere in GM, just not on Camaro and not for those options.

For the record Custom Deluxe Belts [req on Z11] were YA1, Front Shoulder Belts were YA3.
1099  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Help decoding my 69 vin on: December 05, 2006, 01:17:11 PM
I doubt there was intent to deceive. There are a few guys that offer window sticker re-creations and this is simply one of them.

With the documentation legal mess brewing in the Yenko/COPO world I would put that in a drawer and never display it with the car. If you sell the car throw it out.

I looked at your site, the restoration/car looks outstanding. The protect-o-plate is all the car needs.
1100  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Help decoding my 69 vin on: December 04, 2006, 08:43:34 PM
And a bad one at that.

A39 & A85 did not exist. Many of the ECLs are incorrect; "5ZJ7AG" indicates 14 x 6 rally wheels.

The form is incorrect and the body number is missing.
1101  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: sandblasting? on: December 04, 2006, 08:31:06 PM
Having done my share of sandblasting I strongly recommend that you have a professional shop do the work. Sandblasting of this magnitude [entire floorpan] requires a large compressor and sanblasting equipment, all of which can be rented. The car will need to be suspended; don't even consider lying under it. It will take a lot of sand and is incredibly noisy & messy. You will also need personal protective equipment. Inhaling sand is hazardous and it can easily end up in your nose, ears and eyes.

Sandblasting can warp and work-harden metal so you do not want to do any exterior sheet metal. If you get careless it will instantly ruin glass. There will be sand in the car forever.

Were I to do a car again I would first remove all panels due to be replaced and would seriously consider having the remainder of the paint/rust chemically stripped. There are rust-neutralizing solutions now available that are far more thorough than sandblasting. Hot Rod did a feature on this topic in the June 2006 issue.
1102  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Camaro disc brake rearend on: December 03, 2006, 07:03:08 PM
It could be a conversion using late '70s Cadillac Seville rear discs. They were built off a Nova platform and I understand the discs bolt-on.
1103  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Help decoding my 69 vin on: December 02, 2006, 12:25:41 PM
The U73 Manual Rear Antenna option was not available with spoilers. The dealer should have noted the error and requested new documents. Errors like this aren't all that unusual. When a Camaro window label has the VIN entirely printed rather than stamped that is usually the reason.

AM front masts were telescopic, FM was fixed-height.


2467=8 cylinder convertible
9=1969 model year
N=Norwood, Ohio final assembly plant
637627=137,627 unit built at Norwood

NOR 319187=unit # assigned at time of dealer order
TR 720=Orange Houndstooth interior
50=Dover white lower body color
A=white convertible top
05A=body assembly started 1st week May 1969
Z11=Indianapolis 500 Pace Car accents

1104  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Cowl Induction Air Cleaner Question on: December 01, 2006, 11:22:00 PM
It is likely the insulation was not cut correctly. There was only one flange & seal for all applications.

Original equipment ducted hood air cleaners did not have chrome lids. For some time in the '80s GM service replacement units were supplied with chrome lids.
1105  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Cowl/Vin Match on: November 13, 2006, 08:57:10 PM
Tag looks fine.

It is in the db.
1106  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69Z orig goodyear tires on: November 11, 2006, 02:23:48 PM
Yup; E70 x 15 Wide Tread GT with "NYLON" molded into the side wall.

I believe repros are "POLYESTER"
1107  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: were there any 68s with headrest on: November 02, 2006, 09:26:36 PM
Yes head rests were optional for 1968.
1108  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 350 SS EXHAUST BRACKET on: October 31, 2006, 08:07:27 PM
All 1969 dual exhaust coupes received the reinforcement plate on the LH frame rail only. Convertibles did not need it due to heavier gauge frame rails.
1109  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: TACH ON THE DASH on: October 31, 2006, 01:24:52 PM
That was a dealer accessory; not factory installed.
1110  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Correct locaton of proportionong valve on sub frame on: October 06, 2006, 06:59:57 PM
I did not consider it the prop valve because the explanation in the November 1969 Chevrolet Service News refers to it as a "pressure regulating valve" 5 times in the short article.

Not all disc/drum Camaros had it; some drum brake cars have it.

What I consider the prop valve is the one under the master, Chevy calls it a "pressure metering valve" and also a "pressure regulating valve", point being disc/drum cars have to have it.

I checked the Assembly and Chassis Service Manuals-no mention of "proportioning valve".
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