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1066  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 68 z master cylinder on: April 23, 2007, 12:09:30 PM
There is debate on this. Vintage photos show masters painted black; the theory is the paint did not adhere well and quickly fell off. Current judging allows either finish.
1067  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Re: 68 396 auto to 4 speed conversion. clearance problems on: April 15, 2007, 06:32:56 PM
Nope; BBs used BB specific xmembers; one for maunal trans another for the T400.

You should have the BB manual trans xmember. It is nearly identical to the SB xmember but can be identified by the opening at the center. If it is uniformly oval that is all SB. The BB xmember has a more rectangular hole with one corner being angled.

I believe the problem lies not with the motor mounts but the frame brackets they bolt to; 67-68 BB Camaros used specific brackets to offset the engine; the LH bracket is quite a bit taller than the RH. SB brackets are the same height.   

Step 1: Go check the frame brackets. Also are you using a stock bellhousing or a scattershield? You will also need the BB specific z-bar.
1068  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1969 - Orphans / protect-o-plates 9N567243 & 9N655059 on: April 09, 2007, 08:44:07 PM
1969 Camaro SS 350 124379N567243

1969 Camaro SS L78 124379N655059
1069  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 396 Build on: April 09, 2007, 07:41:36 PM
What you have described is kind of a hodge-podge of parts.

What do you want to build? A nostalgia 'resto' engine or an HP big-block?

L88 and L89 heads are not the same. All L89 heads are closed-chamber; most L88 heads are open chamber. Each requires a specific piston design and camshaft. Chevy never built an open-chamber 396; there may not be a 396 piston that will work. No matter; the L88 was a 12:1 427 and miserable on the street when you could get good gas.

If it is a resto engine, lose the L88 intake [no manifold heat]; find a '163'. Hopefully you have closed-chamber '842' heads. With a 780 carb and L78 cam it should be a pleasant street motor with decent power.

If it is an HP big block why bother with a 396? There are plenty of 454 blocks around. The parts and build-up will cost the same but the 454 will have far more power.
1070  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Real or Fake Z10? on: April 07, 2007, 03:24:06 PM
This begs the question: Why would anyone fake a Z10?
1071  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Re: rebuilding engine on: March 31, 2007, 02:54:35 PM
The 350/350 cam is a poor choice for an automatic.
1072  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 z28 rods on: March 23, 2007, 04:28:13 PM
Nope; 69 302 had full-floating pins with 'pink' rods.
1073  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Correct Front Coil Spring Tape Decals for 1969 Z/28 RS on: March 21, 2007, 06:28:15 PM
Spring tags were not always visible. On my last 69 and our 67 Z/28 the springs had been installed with the tags at the top.
1074  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: GM will give you an options list for your car on: March 17, 2007, 11:04:41 AM
If the car was delivered in Canada you can acquire information on the car from the Zone Office there-they kept all of their import shipping records. Many years ago they just copied the page the car was on which provided the same info for the other cars on the page including key#s. Today they send a letter listing the options and selling dealer.

Easily forged, slightly better than nothing.

True paper work is the original window label or corresponding shippers' copy, protect-o-plate or dealer invoice.
1075  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Build sheet missing on: March 01, 2007, 01:22:22 PM
1st Gen Camaros did not have "build sheets" as A bodies did; sub-assembled components were tagged with either a body or chassis broadcast sheet that indicated the VIN/BODY number of the unit the component was intended for. All 1st gens had both; they were supposed to be discarded as components were installed. Norwood rarely left sheets hidden in cars although they did occasionally leave them in cars for the dealer to toss during prep. Some dealers put them in a file folder with other paperwork, usually how Norwood sheets are found. The Van Nuys plant often left a sheet taped to the fuel tank, by now too weathered to be legible.   
1076  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 VIN label on drivers door on: February 25, 2007, 05:57:06 PM
The drivers door VIN label was a requirement for the 1970 model year. When Chevy extended 1969 Camaro production the LH door shell was modified to include locating ribs; the label was to be placed between them.

Indications are the label was introduced 08A when Norwood reset body numbering to '100001'. That occured late in VIN range N669xxx.
1077  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Exhaust resonator...what does it do? on: February 25, 2007, 12:42:30 PM
1st Gen Camaros used resonators since the start of production in 1966; they are clearly shown in the Assembly Instruction Manual under N10 for all 3 years. 67-68 Z/28s had "deep-tone dual exhausts" which was no more than a section of pipe that eliminated them. Any other N10 car had them.

As for 1969 the vague wording of the chambered exhaust recall created the impression they were a late add-on. The undercarriage photos of the Berger #3 ZL1 [02D N608193] show it was built with resonators and a transverse muffler; OE systems were welded together. Until supplies caught up 69s planned for chambered had a transverse muffler system without resonators.

Resonators did a fine job of cancelling noise. A ZL1 with a resonator system is very quiet at idle.
1078  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Speaker / rear defogger on: February 24, 2007, 04:50:50 PM
A 69 built with a factory stereo will have 4 speakers; one in eack kick panel and two mounted on the package shelf. The front speaker mounting is depicted on page A3 section U79 of the Assembly Instruction Manual [AIM].

A rear defogger was a factory or dealer-installed option; GMPD sold a kit for dealers to install. The mounting of the switch can be found in the AIM on page A1 section C50. Fisher Body must have installed the wiring, unit and grille as that is not in the AIM.
1079  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Tilt Wheel Whats it worth? on: February 24, 2007, 01:27:31 PM
Careful here. There are several swap meet pirates selling made-over tilt columns as '69s.

Virtually dozens of GM tilt columns made well into the '70s were the same length and will physically fit a '69. The main difference is the locking lever at the base of the column; '69 seems to be a one-year only style and if the column is not a '69 you will end up having to make it work. Also be sure to get the flange that adapts the column to the rag joint. The standard '69 column has an integral flange welded to the lower shaft; tilts have a splined shaft for a separate flange.
1080  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Tire Pressure Stickers on: February 18, 2007, 08:39:05 PM
I'm assuming "AZ" is a typo and you meant "AD" wheels.
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