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1051  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: what paint is used to paint the dash of a 69 Camaro? on: May 14, 2007, 06:51:30 PM
Suede is a flattening agent that causes the finish to wrinkle slightly, somewhat similar to the finish on cheap toolboxes. The Feds required a non-glare surface for the dash top.

Flat or semi-gloss on the top of the dash is not correct.
1052  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: How many 1969 COPO Camaros are left? on: May 08, 2007, 09:34:51 PM
1,015 is the total number of MN [822] and MO [193] L72 engines Tonawanda built for the 1969 model year.

For 1965 there were 2,304 "IF" 396/425 Corvette engines built but only 2,157 396 Corvettes produced, an installation rate of 94%. Applying that to L72s puts the production figure around 954.

Since the 198 or so Yenkos are known the question has always centered around the number of non-Yenko COPO Camaros built. Having regularly walked the pit area at drag meets I know there are many heavily modified '69 Camaro drag cars out there with no paperwork and non-OE drivetrains. Missing cowl & VIN tags are common; some of these have been raced since new and could have easily been COPOs.

1053  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 69 RS z/28 Barn Find on: May 07, 2007, 07:30:29 PM
There is a twin to it in Milwaukee.
1054  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: ZL-1 Block...ME stamp?? on: May 07, 2007, 07:29:21 PM
Of all the factory built ZL-1 engines ME [Corvette 4-speed] is the most common.
1055  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Jefferson County Spring Car and Swap Meet on: April 30, 2007, 09:00:10 PM
Junk yards? You must be joking. More picked over than most swaps. Of all the remaining yards in the metro Milwaukee area only Al's gets vintage iron. And it doesn't last-on one visit a few years back they had a just received a complete, intact '70 Camaro. Days later there was absolutely nothing left of it. They also acquired a clean '68 Bisc 2-door but sold it complete.

My fav junkyard story involves Schmidts in Waunakee. In March '81 they received a beat-up '69 that the city had towed. N579434, one of the 10 Olympic gold Yenkos. Not worth fixing back then. I got the BE and dash, rest was ironed. The '67 Z/28-RS I found in a PA yard was already stripped but the brakes were still there, the reason it caught my eye. We also shopped the Pick-A-Parts in So Cal on our Pomona trips; 1st gen Camaros were almost non-existant in those yards. There may still be a trove near Las Vegas but enough people know about it and the owners are near-impossible to deal with.

Those were the days.

1056  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Jefferson County Spring Car and Swap Meet on: April 30, 2007, 12:36:13 PM
Our business vended there and at many other swaps over the years. If you are a pro vendor you're there early to set up. More importantly you're free to roam around the cheap seats before they let the retail crowd in. The first thing virtually all pro vendors do is go looking for bargains. So if someone had a $500 12 posi axle out there in the North field I can virtually guarantee you it was sold early to a pro who dragged it back to their space and changed the sign to read "$1500". And probably sold it. Did it myself [SC-Indy was a virtual gold mine] and saw it done many, many times. Some of these guys don't even wait until set up and can be found in line, picking through parts yet to be unloaded. It's a jungle out there.

Buy an ice cream, enjoy the show. Lower your expectations of swap meets, these days about 50% non-auto related anyway.

1057  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Cylinder blocks on: April 28, 2007, 02:38:30 PM
If you do not have the original engine the next best thing is a period correct engine. For a '69 it takes a bit of investigation and searching since 4 casting #s were used during the model run. By now many are no longer rebuildable. But you have to expend the effort if the car is to be presented as restored; an 06A 69 Z/28 should have a May '69 '010' casting for example.

You can certainly acquire a new block from GM and build it as a 302 but many will regard the car as more of a street machine and value it accordingly.

Having said all that if I had one today the OE 302 would be in a bag in the corner of the garage. In the car would be a correct-appearing 9:1 350 with a roller cam.
1058  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 68 z master cylinder on: April 23, 2007, 12:09:30 PM
There is debate on this. Vintage photos show masters painted black; the theory is the paint did not adhere well and quickly fell off. Current judging allows either finish.
1059  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Re: 68 396 auto to 4 speed conversion. clearance problems on: April 15, 2007, 06:32:56 PM
Nope; BBs used BB specific xmembers; one for maunal trans another for the T400.

You should have the BB manual trans xmember. It is nearly identical to the SB xmember but can be identified by the opening at the center. If it is uniformly oval that is all SB. The BB xmember has a more rectangular hole with one corner being angled.

I believe the problem lies not with the motor mounts but the frame brackets they bolt to; 67-68 BB Camaros used specific brackets to offset the engine; the LH bracket is quite a bit taller than the RH. SB brackets are the same height.   

Step 1: Go check the frame brackets. Also are you using a stock bellhousing or a scattershield? You will also need the BB specific z-bar.
1060  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1969 - Orphans / protect-o-plates 9N567243 & 9N655059 on: April 09, 2007, 08:44:07 PM
1969 Camaro SS 350 124379N567243

1969 Camaro SS L78 124379N655059
1061  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 396 Build on: April 09, 2007, 07:41:36 PM
What you have described is kind of a hodge-podge of parts.

What do you want to build? A nostalgia 'resto' engine or an HP big-block?

L88 and L89 heads are not the same. All L89 heads are closed-chamber; most L88 heads are open chamber. Each requires a specific piston design and camshaft. Chevy never built an open-chamber 396; there may not be a 396 piston that will work. No matter; the L88 was a 12:1 427 and miserable on the street when you could get good gas.

If it is a resto engine, lose the L88 intake [no manifold heat]; find a '163'. Hopefully you have closed-chamber '842' heads. With a 780 carb and L78 cam it should be a pleasant street motor with decent power.

If it is an HP big block why bother with a 396? There are plenty of 454 blocks around. The parts and build-up will cost the same but the 454 will have far more power.
1062  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Real or Fake Z10? on: April 07, 2007, 03:24:06 PM
This begs the question: Why would anyone fake a Z10?
1063  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Re: rebuilding engine on: March 31, 2007, 02:54:35 PM
The 350/350 cam is a poor choice for an automatic.
1064  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 z28 rods on: March 23, 2007, 04:28:13 PM
Nope; 69 302 had full-floating pins with 'pink' rods.
1065  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Correct Front Coil Spring Tape Decals for 1969 Z/28 RS on: March 21, 2007, 06:28:15 PM
Spring tags were not always visible. On my last 69 and our 67 Z/28 the springs had been installed with the tags at the top.
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