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1051  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Speaker / rear defogger on: February 24, 2007, 04:50:50 PM
A 69 built with a factory stereo will have 4 speakers; one in eack kick panel and two mounted on the package shelf. The front speaker mounting is depicted on page A3 section U79 of the Assembly Instruction Manual [AIM].

A rear defogger was a factory or dealer-installed option; GMPD sold a kit for dealers to install. The mounting of the switch can be found in the AIM on page A1 section C50. Fisher Body must have installed the wiring, unit and grille as that is not in the AIM.
1052  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Tilt Wheel Whats it worth? on: February 24, 2007, 01:27:31 PM
Careful here. There are several swap meet pirates selling made-over tilt columns as '69s.

Virtually dozens of GM tilt columns made well into the '70s were the same length and will physically fit a '69. The main difference is the locking lever at the base of the column; '69 seems to be a one-year only style and if the column is not a '69 you will end up having to make it work. Also be sure to get the flange that adapts the column to the rag joint. The standard '69 column has an integral flange welded to the lower shaft; tilts have a splined shaft for a separate flange.
1053  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Tire Pressure Stickers on: February 18, 2007, 08:39:05 PM
I'm assuming "AZ" is a typo and you meant "AD" wheels.
1054  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: This VIN still out there ??? on: February 17, 2007, 03:35:38 PM
It is in the CRG db, data as of June 2002.
1055  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: NOS sheet metal prices on: February 15, 2007, 10:27:13 AM
Yup; that was me behind the counter Sat-Sun.
1056  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: NOS sheet metal prices on: February 14, 2007, 02:05:22 PM
I worked for a Camaro business [CPX] '83-'97. By the time 1st gen Camaro sheet metal went disco in the early '90s much of it fit like crap. We returned many '69 LH coupe quarters and '67 front fenders. At one point the '69 ducted hoods were so bad GM had to redo the tooling. You can still spot those from the era; they have much more 'curve' than the fenders. Even the stuff that fit was quite wavy; the last '69 fenders are easy to spot because the body line over the wheel well doesn't match up at the door. None of them fit nicely at the windshield trim. The last core supports were so wrinkled on top it was hard to place the tune-up sticker.

And it wasn't just sheetmetal. '67 'Camaro' fender emblems were twisted or bent and would break during installation; '69 'rally-sport' emblems were clearcoated without cleaning and were full of dirt. Order '69 Camaro 396 fender emblems and they would send '70 Nova emblems that weren't even close. Order '68 Z/28 rocker covers and they sent chromed '69s. The chrome on bumpers looked like bad silver paint; sometimes they would be missing some of the mounting holes. '68-'69 console doors were horrible; no pebble grain at all.

In general many servce parts fit and function but do not have the same appearance as OE. The '69 rear license plate holder is a good example; the service part has a different mounting bracket than OE and is easy to spot.

Yup, nothing like NOS.
1057  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: What all came with copo 9737 on: February 06, 2007, 09:11:13 PM
Per Chevy info 9737 was available on Camaro only with 9560 or 9561. It was called "SPORTSCAR CONVERSION/YENKO". As a result it is quite rare; very few non-Yenko COPOs had it. Berger and few other dealers knew of it; documentation for these cars is quite hard to come by.

There were at least 3 prices for the option during the model year: $126.40, $160.10, $184.34. Chevrolet Shipper Copies for many of Yenkos' COPOs exist; cars in the last order batch had the factory in-dash tach but it is not listed on the Shipper. It is thought 9737 was amended to include the factory tach, which was made available at Yenkos' request.
1058  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: '69 exhaust manifold. on: February 04, 2007, 08:19:10 PM
All 69 manual trans sbs had the AIR system.
1059  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: '69 exhaust manifold. on: February 04, 2007, 05:59:50 PM
LH 3942527, RH 3946826. These are AIR manifolds for manual trans applications. Auto trans did not have AIR so manifolds are different.

Same as Z/28; repros are available.
1060  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Is my DZ motor a phony? on: February 03, 2007, 10:31:39 AM
At peak operation, Norwood was rolling about 1,500 cars per day off the line. 

That's about double, dude. Norwood did around 800 Camaros per workday. Don't go by body tag dates and VINs. Do the math-165,300 cars between the start of 1969 production [08D] and June 30, 1969, maybe 212 workdays.
1061  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: stickers on core support and fan shroud 0f 69 z/28 on: January 30, 2007, 01:22:17 PM
the coolant sticker on the pass side.

The coolant sticker belongs in the drawer. Not used on US sold 69s.
1062  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 302 hemi prototype with crossram on: January 30, 2007, 01:15:32 PM
Maybe Heartbeat reproduced them.
1063  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1967 Camaro LA VIN number 16 Body #1 on: January 29, 2007, 01:02:24 PM
Barnum was right...
1064  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 Camaro battery on: January 28, 2007, 07:21:56 PM
For some reason Z/28s and maybe other small-block Camaros used a reverse-polarity top-terminal battery; aka Ford battery. All it means is the - terminal is on the RH side as you're facing the the engine bay, [+ -] not the norm for GM. BB Camaros used a 'normal' battery [- +]. Some will argue this but there are a number of Z/28 engine bay photos in vintage magazines that clearly show it.

The 69 AIM only shows side terminal battery cable assembly for the standard battery and shows 6 cylinder Camaros used RP; section 12 page A10 of the AIM. The next page shows the 'V-8' cables for the side terminal battery; all same. The 67-68 AIM shows the same thing for top terminal; all 8 cylinder cars had the same battery/cable configuration. But we know that was not how they were built.

There is no [+ -] topper; do not know if Z/28 side terminal batteries were also RP.

Why GM did this is unknown.
1065  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: stickers on core support and fan shroud 0f 69 z/28 on: January 27, 2007, 05:22:40 PM
I checked several vintage magazine tests and it is left of center in the photos.
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