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1036  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Jefferson County Spring Car and Swap Meet on: April 30, 2007, 09:00:10 PM
Junk yards? You must be joking. More picked over than most swaps. Of all the remaining yards in the metro Milwaukee area only Al's gets vintage iron. And it doesn't last-on one visit a few years back they had a just received a complete, intact '70 Camaro. Days later there was absolutely nothing left of it. They also acquired a clean '68 Bisc 2-door but sold it complete.

My fav junkyard story involves Schmidts in Waunakee. In March '81 they received a beat-up '69 that the city had towed. N579434, one of the 10 Olympic gold Yenkos. Not worth fixing back then. I got the BE and dash, rest was ironed. The '67 Z/28-RS I found in a PA yard was already stripped but the brakes were still there, the reason it caught my eye. We also shopped the Pick-A-Parts in So Cal on our Pomona trips; 1st gen Camaros were almost non-existant in those yards. There may still be a trove near Las Vegas but enough people know about it and the owners are near-impossible to deal with.

Those were the days.

1037  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Jefferson County Spring Car and Swap Meet on: April 30, 2007, 12:36:13 PM
Our business vended there and at many other swaps over the years. If you are a pro vendor you're there early to set up. More importantly you're free to roam around the cheap seats before they let the retail crowd in. The first thing virtually all pro vendors do is go looking for bargains. So if someone had a $500 12 posi axle out there in the North field I can virtually guarantee you it was sold early to a pro who dragged it back to their space and changed the sign to read "$1500". And probably sold it. Did it myself [SC-Indy was a virtual gold mine] and saw it done many, many times. Some of these guys don't even wait until set up and can be found in line, picking through parts yet to be unloaded. It's a jungle out there.

Buy an ice cream, enjoy the show. Lower your expectations of swap meets, these days about 50% non-auto related anyway.

1038  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Cylinder blocks on: April 28, 2007, 02:38:30 PM
If you do not have the original engine the next best thing is a period correct engine. For a '69 it takes a bit of investigation and searching since 4 casting #s were used during the model run. By now many are no longer rebuildable. But you have to expend the effort if the car is to be presented as restored; an 06A 69 Z/28 should have a May '69 '010' casting for example.

You can certainly acquire a new block from GM and build it as a 302 but many will regard the car as more of a street machine and value it accordingly.

Having said all that if I had one today the OE 302 would be in a bag in the corner of the garage. In the car would be a correct-appearing 9:1 350 with a roller cam.
1039  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 68 z master cylinder on: April 23, 2007, 12:09:30 PM
There is debate on this. Vintage photos show masters painted black; the theory is the paint did not adhere well and quickly fell off. Current judging allows either finish.
1040  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Re: 68 396 auto to 4 speed conversion. clearance problems on: April 15, 2007, 06:32:56 PM
Nope; BBs used BB specific xmembers; one for maunal trans another for the T400.

You should have the BB manual trans xmember. It is nearly identical to the SB xmember but can be identified by the opening at the center. If it is uniformly oval that is all SB. The BB xmember has a more rectangular hole with one corner being angled.

I believe the problem lies not with the motor mounts but the frame brackets they bolt to; 67-68 BB Camaros used specific brackets to offset the engine; the LH bracket is quite a bit taller than the RH. SB brackets are the same height.   

Step 1: Go check the frame brackets. Also are you using a stock bellhousing or a scattershield? You will also need the BB specific z-bar.
1041  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1969 - Orphans / protect-o-plates 9N567243 & 9N655059 on: April 09, 2007, 08:44:07 PM
1969 Camaro SS 350 124379N567243

1969 Camaro SS L78 124379N655059
1042  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 396 Build on: April 09, 2007, 07:41:36 PM
What you have described is kind of a hodge-podge of parts.

What do you want to build? A nostalgia 'resto' engine or an HP big-block?

L88 and L89 heads are not the same. All L89 heads are closed-chamber; most L88 heads are open chamber. Each requires a specific piston design and camshaft. Chevy never built an open-chamber 396; there may not be a 396 piston that will work. No matter; the L88 was a 12:1 427 and miserable on the street when you could get good gas.

If it is a resto engine, lose the L88 intake [no manifold heat]; find a '163'. Hopefully you have closed-chamber '842' heads. With a 780 carb and L78 cam it should be a pleasant street motor with decent power.

If it is an HP big block why bother with a 396? There are plenty of 454 blocks around. The parts and build-up will cost the same but the 454 will have far more power.
1043  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Real or Fake Z10? on: April 07, 2007, 03:24:06 PM
This begs the question: Why would anyone fake a Z10?
1044  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Re: rebuilding engine on: March 31, 2007, 02:54:35 PM
The 350/350 cam is a poor choice for an automatic.
1045  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 z28 rods on: March 23, 2007, 04:28:13 PM
Nope; 69 302 had full-floating pins with 'pink' rods.
1046  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Correct Front Coil Spring Tape Decals for 1969 Z/28 RS on: March 21, 2007, 06:28:15 PM
Spring tags were not always visible. On my last 69 and our 67 Z/28 the springs had been installed with the tags at the top.
1047  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: GM will give you an options list for your car on: March 17, 2007, 11:04:41 AM
If the car was delivered in Canada you can acquire information on the car from the Zone Office there-they kept all of their import shipping records. Many years ago they just copied the page the car was on which provided the same info for the other cars on the page including key#s. Today they send a letter listing the options and selling dealer.

Easily forged, slightly better than nothing.

True paper work is the original window label or corresponding shippers' copy, protect-o-plate or dealer invoice.
1048  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Build sheet missing on: March 01, 2007, 01:22:22 PM
1st Gen Camaros did not have "build sheets" as A bodies did; sub-assembled components were tagged with either a body or chassis broadcast sheet that indicated the VIN/BODY number of the unit the component was intended for. All 1st gens had both; they were supposed to be discarded as components were installed. Norwood rarely left sheets hidden in cars although they did occasionally leave them in cars for the dealer to toss during prep. Some dealers put them in a file folder with other paperwork, usually how Norwood sheets are found. The Van Nuys plant often left a sheet taped to the fuel tank, by now too weathered to be legible.   
1049  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 VIN label on drivers door on: February 25, 2007, 05:57:06 PM
The drivers door VIN label was a requirement for the 1970 model year. When Chevy extended 1969 Camaro production the LH door shell was modified to include locating ribs; the label was to be placed between them.

Indications are the label was introduced 08A when Norwood reset body numbering to '100001'. That occured late in VIN range N669xxx.
1050  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Exhaust resonator...what does it do? on: February 25, 2007, 12:42:30 PM
1st Gen Camaros used resonators since the start of production in 1966; they are clearly shown in the Assembly Instruction Manual under N10 for all 3 years. 67-68 Z/28s had "deep-tone dual exhausts" which was no more than a section of pipe that eliminated them. Any other N10 car had them.

As for 1969 the vague wording of the chambered exhaust recall created the impression they were a late add-on. The undercarriage photos of the Berger #3 ZL1 [02D N608193] show it was built with resonators and a transverse muffler; OE systems were welded together. Until supplies caught up 69s planned for chambered had a transverse muffler system without resonators.

Resonators did a fine job of cancelling noise. A ZL1 with a resonator system is very quiet at idle.
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