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1036  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: power team orders/axel ratio's on: October 03, 2006, 12:36:43 PM
You could specify anything on the power teams chart. I do not have the info with me but 4.56 & 4.88 were RPO ratios with certain engine/trans combos for 1968.

Things changed a bit for 1969; 4.56 & 4.88 were no longer RPO. However you could get either via the COPO process. I have copies of docs for a '69 Z/28 built with '88s and a COPO 9561 built with '56s.

That means a triple COPO is a possibility: 9511, 9561, 9737.
1037  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Correct locaton of proportionong valve on sub frame on: October 02, 2006, 12:03:32 PM
That is not the prop valve.
1038  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: X Codes on: September 24, 2006, 06:38:32 PM
Hugger orange convertible with black top, black standard interior. Body started in production the 4th week of May 1969 at the Norwood Ohio assembly plant.

For reasons unknown there were a number of convertibles built at that time with no X code on the tag.

You are free to do as you please with your car. If you wish to build the car as an SS with all the proper componentry and call it a clone, tribute, re-creation, go right ahead.
1039  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: X Codes on: September 17, 2006, 07:45:32 PM
I have to preface a statement with some history about myself.

I bought my 1st 1969 Camaro Z/28 in 1975. Sold it 2 years later, bought another and on and on. From 1983-1997 I was involved with a business selling 1st gen Camaro parts. In those days the cars were plentiful and we parted dozens of them, set up/attended hundreds of swap meets, prowled junk yards from coast to coast, bought and sold an incredible amount of 1st gen Camaro parts during that time. We were small - D & R and Z & Z [to name a few] had many many times more cars & parts than we did. We sold it all: MO & DZ 302 engines, Muncie 4-speeds, '837' alternators, disc brake subframes, 12-bolt axles including 2 BEs, a complete JL8 setup, aluminum intakes including a cross-ram, factory Holley carbs, wheels, glass, sheetmetal including RS conversions and compete bodies supplied by our friends out West. In this time we helped many people restore and unfortunately unwittingly create cars.

This nonsense about claiming a car is an SS, Z/28 or whatever because it has 4-leaf springs, front discs or a 12-bolt has got to stop. We sold all that stuff many times over as did all other Camaro vendors at the time, 23 years ago. While certain characteristcs may have validity such a Z/28 without a Muncie speedo cable routing anything else can be and has been added. The famous '69 LH tailpipe plate takes about a minute to remove intact from a parts car and has been reproduced. And I grabbed many of the meaningless rear brakeline valves in junkyards. Body tags? Don't make me laugh. Those were being swapped 25 years ago. A few years ago I was visiting another vendor who showed me literally hundreds of them in an old toolbox.

The only way you can be certain of a cars' pedigree is genuine factory paperwork or irrefutable VIN-stamped drivetrain componentry.

 
1040  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: X Codes on: September 16, 2006, 10:47:35 AM
Perhaps you are new to the hobby or do not follow it that closely. You have stumbled into an area that definitely has two camps.

What you are asking is essentially "Can I build a fake Camaro SS?" Fakes are also called clones, re-creations and tribute cars. A rose by any other name...

Some seem to think that is fine as long as you display it as a clone. Problem is you will sell it someday and the next owners may choose not be quite so honest. There are several ZL1 clones proudly displayed at shows with no mention on their signage. A fake LS6 Chevelle was just "outed' resulting in a lawsuit as it had been completely mis-represented.

Tread very carefully here.
1041  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Anyone recommend someone to rebuild a power steering box? on: September 02, 2006, 01:46:04 PM
I believe Global West in CA does them. Check mags for an ad.

You are wise to not attempt it. Power boxes are not simple.
1042  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 68 Battery Question on: August 31, 2006, 08:09:29 PM
Nope, just another option.
1043  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Radiator Support Assembly on: August 31, 2006, 12:13:54 PM
One size fits all, slight evolutionary differences 67-69.
1044  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z28 Question on: August 25, 2006, 06:54:41 PM
Rear bumper guards [V32] were standard on Z/28 but optional on any 1969 Camaro. Many were removed from Z/28s by owners that did not care for the appearance.

1045  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Question 386 block on: August 25, 2006, 12:38:01 PM
HI
It might seem like a silly question for some of you, I have a 69 327 with a 386 casting. If this is the same casting # as early dz & 350 engines,  why do 302 & 350 use different motor frame mounts than the 327 ? 
Thanks

One of the first and largest auto recalls back in the '60s was caused by failure of the LH motor mount in 8 cylinder '65-'68 Chevrolet passenger cars. When the mount failed, under acceleration the engine would lift off the bracket, often causing the accelerator linkage to bind. The car would continue accelerating even after releasing pressure on the fuel pedal.This caused several serious accidents. The recall involved the band-aid fix of a cable/bracket assembly attached to the exhaust manifold and looped around the upper control arm shaft.

For '69 Chevy re-designed the mount with an integral hook to prevent physical separation of the parts if the rubber/metal bond failed. The "interlock" mount was narrower and thicker than the previous design necessitating re-designed frame brackets. For sb '69 Camaros Chevy only used the new mount/brackets with 302 and 350 engines, deemed most likely to need them. 307 and 327 engines continued to use the old design.

The problem with this is the early mount will fit the later interlock frame bracket. It is a very sloppy fit; the engine will be positioned too low and can easily move around causing clutch chatter and driveline vibration.
1046  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Exhaust System Configuration on 69Z'z on: August 19, 2006, 04:29:55 PM
The April 15 date is not correct. Dual exhaust Camaros had resonators starting with 1967 production. The "deep-tone" dual exhaust option for 67-68 simply eliminated them.

Possibly due to a short-term supply problem when chambered was dropped as standard equipment some 69s were built without them. The problem went away around February. Check the undercarriage photos of the #3 ZL1 on the rack at Berger Chev for the Hi-Perf Cars Magazine road test. Built 02D, has resonators. Assembly-line systems had the exhaust pipes welded to the resonators; the photos show no clamps.

05A is probably too early for chrome tailpipes. Not that I care, I put them on my car too.



















1047  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z28 Question on: August 18, 2006, 07:01:00 PM
There is nothing in the VIN that will identify the car as a Z/28.

Depending on where/when it was built there could be corroborating information on the body tag, which is mounted on the firewall behind the power brake booster. Everybody knows that so there is plenty of skullduggery going on with the tags. There is certain equipment like power front disc brakes and dual exhaust that all Z/28s had but none of it is unique to the Z/28.

Assume for now it is not a Z/28. If has a relatively clean rust free body that doesn't need paint or major work, power front discs, Muncie 4-speed and 12 posi axle and drives ok it is probably worth 15k or a bit more anyway. The big block doesn't help but may have resale value. As a final thought more than a few COPOs were disguised as Z/28s.

Get the VIN and info off the body tag, post it here.


1048  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: COPO? on: August 18, 2006, 12:06:12 PM
John the car is an RS. All RS grilles were black except for black cars.
1049  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Tic toc tach w/gauges on: August 13, 2006, 03:53:20 PM
U16 tach only was added during the 1969 model year. COPO documentation indicates it appeared to be added at the request of someone like Yenko to eliminate having to add an aftermarket unit.
1050  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Did GM ever put M-20 in 69 Z-28?? on: August 13, 2006, 11:25:33 AM
I have a fair amount of '69 documentation; 20% of the Z/28s have M20.
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