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General Discussion / Re: 69 ZL1 engine for sale
« on: February 11, 2024, 05:10:11 PM »
Supposedly there were two ZL 1s ordered by the local dealer, one blue and the other yellow. The drag racer that worked there swapped the engines for iron engines before the cars were sold and the aluminum blocks went in his funny car. I saw the yellow car but only heard about the blue one.

Brewers Chevrolet, Campton KY had the other Daytona Yellow ZL-1. Rumored to have been sold with an L-72 427.

The car has been restored; the engine survives elsewhere. Only ZL-1 Camaro they had. Campton KY has a population of 424 so I guess one was adequate inventory.

ZL-1 auto      msrp $4160.50
ZL-1 4-speed msrp $4160.15





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General Discussion / Re: 69 ZL1 engine for sale
« on: February 10, 2024, 11:42:56 PM »
No.

My interest ends with the last Winters casting, approximately 7/31/69. Just for the record, Winters must have completed about 325 bare blocks.

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General Discussion / Re: 69 ZL1 engine for sale
« on: February 10, 2024, 10:10:14 PM »
Fran Preve, an Engineer at the Tonawanda engine plant, reported ZL-1 production numbers in 1987:

ME  Corvette manual  80
MG Corvette auto       14
ML  Camaro manual   54
MM Camaro auto       34

Of the 182, 71 were used in production. The ZL-1 program was shut down as of June, 1969 and remaining stock placed in GMPD inventory.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor...tag swap?
« on: February 10, 2024, 05:58:10 PM »
Wouldn't be the first time I have seen that at a dealer.

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Decoding/Numbers / Caveat Emptor...tag swap?
« on: February 10, 2024, 05:27:03 PM »
Another NOR/VN swap?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/315150024937

124379N605034

Reported VIN is for a Camaro built at the Norwood, OH plant on or about February 27, 1969

Body tag is from a Camaro built at the Van Nuys, CA plant on or about January 9, 1969.

One or both tags may not be original to the car; hidden VINs may not match.

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General Discussion / Re: Ford-No more paper owners manual books.
« on: February 10, 2024, 05:09:12 PM »
Acura has been doing that for years. I suspect others also. Our 2020 RDX came with a small Owner's Guide, about all the average person would need to know. We had six months from delivery to request an owners' manual n/c and did. 653 pages; nope haven't needed it.

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General Discussion / Re: 69 ZL1 engine for sale
« on: February 10, 2024, 04:40:57 PM »
There were zero ZL-1 'CE' warranty engines built.

The few production ZL-1 Camaros that had engine failures received reconfigured ME code Corvette ZL-1 engines.

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General Discussion / Re: Pretty nice 69 Z going for sale Feb 17
« on: February 05, 2024, 07:40:15 PM »
'Exterior is reportedly 1 of just over 1,000 Z/28 Camaros ever produced in 1969, and only 1 of less than 175 that were manufactured with a Vinyl Top."

Huh?



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General Discussion / Re: rebody Z made Hot Rod
« on: February 05, 2024, 03:17:02 PM »
Last year, I received a 3 year/$32 extension offer from Hot Rod. First subscribed in the '60s, 89¢/mo. sounded like a great deal.

The January 2024 issue carried this notice. Well played Hot Rod!

Marlan Davis was also a big loss.


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Original Cars and Details / Re: 1969 Z28 time capsule
« on: January 23, 2024, 12:19:07 AM »
A coupe with 720 interior was rare at Van Nuys. Only know of one other, also built late in June.

Let's see that window sticker!


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The Legends manual states the 'hook' fan is early production; non-hook version starts around May. The car in the photo is known to be a Fall '68 build.

In addition, the survivor '69 Z/28 that came to light last year is a Dec '68 build; has a non-hook fan. Scroll to post #6.

https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=175266

My guess, both were used.

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Engine bay photo dated November 1968.

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Decoding/Numbers / Caveat Emptor...another repro body tag?
« on: January 18, 2024, 02:23:21 AM »
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276290558343

124379N528551

N528551 was final assembled on or about October 23, 1968. That's one month prior to the second design body tag, two months prior to X codes and several months prior to spoilers being coded on the tag.

No idea why they had it coded for Turquoise/Parchment standard interior, then painted it orange and installed a 713 interior.

Guess you don't get much for $70k these days.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1969 03d clarification needed
« on: January 17, 2024, 01:38:12 AM »
All 1,000 N618xxx VINs were final assembled Friday March 21 and Monday March 24. 03D order release probably began Monday March 17.

There is no way to determine when Fisher Body started building the body.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1969 03d clarification needed
« on: January 15, 2024, 04:16:14 PM »
The date on the body tag represents the release week for the build order at Fisher Body. At best, it is only a general indicator of a car’s final assembly date.

There were two separate assembly plants involved. Fisher built the complete painted/trimmed body assembly, transferred it to Chevrolet final assembly.

Assembled bodies from Fisher were assigned a serial number just after they entered the body bank. At that time a confidential serial number [ex. 9N501234] was stamped into the body at two locations. The VIN tag was not attached at this time. Bodies were then shuffled into six queue lanes based on labor content. They were not final assembled in serial number order; the last VIN of the month logged by Chevy may be higher than the car behind it. When the last VIN of the month was logged is not certain. For this discussion, I assume it was Friday March 28. Manufacturing production calendars did not always follow Julian calendar format.

John Z has stated the production rate at NOR was 57 units/hour; 912 per day. At that time, Firebird production had not started but preparations were in process, seems to have limited output. March consisted of four weeks, Monday March 3 – Friday March 28. During that period VINs 607165 – 622674 were final assembled; 15,509 units an average of 775 per day. I’m assuming no Saturdays. Order release at Fisher Body had to lead final assembly by about 3 days; assume they released 775 orders per day at Fisher. So 03D was likely March 17 – March 21. When the next week’s order release began, there were plenty of the previous weeks order releases in queue. There was no 03C so those were 03B. Production orders are routinely pulled in/pushed out so the earliest 03D final assembly was March 21, mixed with 03B units. Conversely, the earliest 03E final assemblies are March 31, mixed with 03D units. The latest 03D final assembly I know of is N6240xx, final assembled April 1st.

Not usually this wordy. -6° here, not going anywhere.

http://www.camaros.org/assemblyprocess.shtml




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