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Restoration / Re: 1969 Dash Carrier Restoration Source

« on: September 08, 2015, 07:08:15 PM »

For what you're willing to pay I'll bet you could find an NOS carrier. There are two versions, with or without tach. Neither was punched for a clock as that was done at the plants. Either will do as the standard carrier is marked where it needs to be trimmed for the tach. Some later versions will not have the chrome applique.

Look around. They are out there.

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Originality / Re: Original Cowl Induction Throttle Arm

« on: September 08, 2015, 01:07:08 PM »

Back in the day CPX had the switch bracket reproduced by a local tool shop. All you needed was a '68-'69 ['67s are shorter] throttle arm to weld it on. Sold hundreds of those with directions on where to position it for welding.

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General Discussion / Caveat Emptor..another

« on: September 05, 2015, 12:19:57 AM »

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-ss396-/111763396375?forcerrptr=true&hash=item1a059e1717&item=111763396375

Ad states the car has the original window sticker and shippers' copy. Both are bad repros, several ECL errors. Also the body number on the tag does not match the number on the fake docs.

Best of all, they misspelled Los Angeles

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Originality / Re: Bellhousing overspray

« on: September 02, 2015, 02:56:54 PM »

Great question. It was serviced by GMPD in black. At the engine plant it was received raw and painted orange with the engine.

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Originality / Re: Air Cleaner Decal and Olympic Gold Z in July 2015 MCR

« on: September 02, 2015, 12:20:59 PM »

People who saw the car stated remnants of the decal were visible on the lid. However as Darrell stated some cars are known to have been built without decals. Vintage road test photos show the January '69 Hot Rod Z/28 didn't have one.

ZL-1s were a bit different. Based on Chevy build info they were to receive just the 427 crossed flags. Vintage photos of #5 show no decal.

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Originality / Re: Bellhousing overspray

« on: September 01, 2015, 03:26:21 PM »

Don't forget to paint the dust cover.

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General Discussion / Re: '69 LOS Pace Car opinions

« on: August 21, 2015, 03:54:53 PM »

The ad was extremely misleading. It was neither a festival car nor the winners' car.

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General Discussion / Re: '69 LOS Pace Car opinions

« on: August 20, 2015, 04:15:47 PM »

Assuming it passes the usual VIN verifications I have no question it really is a Van Nuys Z11. The disconnect here is the asking price is well above average; the car is below average in build quality. 350/automatic is the most common Z11 power train; auction average for those is in the mid-$50s. Real 396 Z11s are rarer and more valuable. A 396/auto Van Nuys Z11 sold for $121,000 at B-J Scottsdale this year and I thought it was well-bought. L78 Z11s have sold for $149,000 and $187,000. 396 Z11s are in their own league and cannot be included in average price calculations.

In my opinion the car in question could easily be significantly improved with a small investment of time and money. Many of the missing parts are common and easily located. Biggest problem would be locating an automatic air cleaner, 14" x 7" rally wheels and the convertible shakers. Hard to tell from photos but paint and bodywork appear to be of good quality. I'm sure the interior is all repro but it is also fairly well-done with only a few small details to attend to. The engine bay has many missing and incorrect parts but nothing too difficult to find. The undercarriage would be a challenge but a proper exhaust system is a good start.

I'm sure some people don't care to see criticism on these sites. My position is the hobby should police itself. When I see questionable body tags, engine stampings or poorly done over-hyped cars I am going to speak up. For some reason many people wait until after the purchase to have a car inspected. Lots of buyer's remorse these days.

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General Discussion / Re: '69 LOS Pace Car opinions

« on: August 20, 2015, 04:14:57 AM »

Of the 54 known ‘Festival’ Indy Pace Car Replicas all were built at the Norwood, OH [N VIN] plant, zero were built at the Van Nuys, CA plant [L VIN]. The two actual pace cars were also built at Norwood. Makes sense; Norwood is 114 miles from Indy, Van Nuys 2,077 miles. Hard to imagine Chevy would ship a car all the way from CA when there were plenty of them available two hours from the track. There are no production records for either plant so the “550 Van Nuys Pace Cars” claim is a guess. There is nothing special or rare about a Van Nuys built Z11.

The car itself is average, not really restored. The undercarriage lacks detail; exhaust system is muffler shop junk. It’s missing the D96 striping, rear bumper guards, ducted hood wiring and flapper door, fender to core support braces, rear vibration canisters, door wedges, and horns. Wheels appear to be incorrect 15”. There are many detail errors: fasteners, clamps, paint, labels.

Maybe less time writing the ad and more time on the car would have been a better strategy.

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Mild Modifications / Re: The Hugger goes ZL-1....

« on: August 19, 2015, 05:34:09 PM »

Didn't the COPO cars come from the factory with 14x7 steel wheels and little caps? 

The standard wheel for COPO 9560 & 9561 was the same 14" x 7" wheel [XT code] used on Camaro SS. Some were ordered with rally wheels; those were also 14" x 7" [YJ code] optional on Camaro SS.

COPOs also ordered with COPO 9737 Sports Car Conversion received 15" x 7" rally wheels [YH code] with E70 x 15 tires as used on Z/28s. COPO 9737 was only available with COPO 9560 or 9561.

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Decoding/Numbers / Caveat Emptor..another

« on: August 18, 2015, 08:51:22 PM »

Like to see a better photo but the engine stamp looks ho-made to me.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-Z-28-/321835918899?forcerrptr=true&hash=item4aeeea6633&item=321835918899

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Originality / Re: Smog Tube correct color on 69 Camaro

« on: August 15, 2015, 05:22:59 PM »

Vintage road test photos show OE tubes were black; JM's '69 Camaro book lists them as black zinc. I believe some service replacement tubes were gold cad.

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Originality / Re: Goodyear WT correct alignment on YH / DF rally's, please help

« on: August 12, 2015, 09:41:14 PM »

As I like to say we are learning more and more about less and less! But I enjoy the chase. Yup, lots more to learn.

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Originality / Re: Goodyear WT correct alignment on YH / DF rally's, please help

« on: August 12, 2015, 03:54:39 PM »

The CDSIB does not describe how the manufacturers accomplished it.

Now all you guys with judged cars will have to add red dots on the tires and align the marks.

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Originality / Re: Goodyear WT correct alignment on YH / DF rally's, please help

« on: August 11, 2015, 11:10:40 PM »

Something of that nature did occur but the version you heard is way off base.

Chevrolet Dealer Service Information Bulletin 68-I-5 dated December 5, 1967 explained a new process for mounting tires in production. Tire suppliers had begun marking the high run-out point with a red paint dot near the bead. Wheel suppliers noted the low run out point by welding BB shot on the wheel outer flange. In production these markings were aligned. Dealers were notified to maintain the alignment if it became necessary to dismount a tire.

Only three plants were involved at the time of the notification: Flint, Norwood and Willow Run.