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Decoding/Numbers / HMM 1969 Camaro feature
« on: August 28, 2018, 04:07:32 PM »
Just received the October 2018 Hemmings Muscle Machines. The issue features a “Buyers Guide: 1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS396.” Always willing to learn, I checked it out immediately. I was surprised and disappointed by the errors in the article.

The Rosetta stone for Chevrolet production data is the report obtained in the late ‘80s from Chevrolet by Len Williamson for his book “Tailfins and Bowties.” The totals were as of December 31, 1969 and included the extended production run for the 1969 Camaro.

HMN lists total production as 230,799; actual production was 243,085. They list Camaro SS production as 32,932; actual production was 34,932. SS w/396 engine is shown as 12,904; actual is 12,593; he incorrectly included L89 cars in the total. L89 was an aluminum cylinder head option that required the L78 engine.

The article states the M20 wide-ratio 4-speed was not available with the L78 engine. That’s incorrect; not only is it listed as an option for the L78 engine, several L72 COPOs were built with the M20. Also stated is that BB engines required a special rocker cover to clear the power brake booster. That’s not true; only BB Corvettes required it.  Also stated, X22 and X66 body tags indicate an SS396. Some early production COPOs also had X22 and X66 tags. The article states that there were some SS396 Camaros built with 4 wheel disc brakes; no documented JL8 SS is known to exist [the two track Z11s were converted to JL8 by the Tech Center]. He also states “All Super Sports received the D90 hockey stick fender stripe unless special paint was ordered.” Also not true; there are a few known special paint SS cars with the D90 stripe. The article never mentions Z10s, many of which were SS396s.

I'm sure a lot of work went into the 5-page feature. Too bad.

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Decoding/Numbers / Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker
« on: August 24, 2018, 02:48:34 AM »
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-RS-SS/283120659206?hash=item41eb4e6b06:g:~7cAAOSwbpVbf1Ss&vxp=mtr

124679N627417

From the ad:

67,358 original miles with supporting service records, extensive documentation, original window sticker, bill of sale, protecto plate/booklet, original owners manual.

Window sticker is a poor repro, has several errors.

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Decoding/Numbers / Caveat Emptor...not as advertised
« on: August 04, 2018, 07:00:30 PM »
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-Z-28-RS/113183789568?hash=item1a5a479200:g:z3oAAOSwYLZbZeGl&vxp=mtr

124379N616953

Photos depict a Le Mans blue RS with black standard interior. The body tag tells a different story: not an RS, had a blue standard interior.

From the ad:

Factory option: Muncie 4-speed, 3:73 posi 12 bolt rear end correct date code C69, correct  4053 holley carburetor, original aluminum intake with spider web, functional cowl induction hood, rally sport package, front and rear spoilers, rocker moldings, rally wheels, 8000 rpm tachometer, console with gauge package, in-dash clock, wood steering wheel, Endura front bumper.

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Decoding/Numbers / Caveat Emptor...big problems
« on: July 25, 2018, 04:06:14 AM »
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-SS-Z11-396-INDY-500-PACE-CAR/263834036115?hash=item3d6dbbe793:g:Fe8AAOSwKARbVtHI&vxp=mtr

123679N659991

That's the VIN for a 6 cylinder Camaro convert built on or about June 20, 1969. The Z11 body tag shown has an 02D date; 4th week of February 1969. The tag is retained with non-original rivets. It is not original to the car.

From the ad. Virtually none of this could be accurate.

1969 CHEVROLET CAMARO SS Z11 INDY 500 PACE CAR MATCHING NUMBERS ALL ORIGINAL!!!EVERYTHING ORIGINAL ! NEVER RESTORED ORIGINAL PAINT EVERYWHERE EXEPT HOOD AND 1 DOOR NO RUST NEVER IN ACCIDENT!!!ORIGINAL TOP IN PERFECT CONDITION CRAZY COOL DRIVER !”

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Decoding/Numbers / Caveat Emptor...another tag mismatch
« on: July 24, 2018, 06:59:37 PM »
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-SS-CLONE/263834965873?hash=item3d6dca1771:g:6YIAAOSwqj5bV2jX&vxp=mtr

124379N612604

Car was final-assembled on or about March 11, 1969. Has an 11D body tag, 4th week November 1968. Tag is real but from another car; rivets are not original.

From the ad:

CODE 72 72 HUGGER ORANGE. PAINTED BACK THE ORIGINAL COLORS

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Decoding/Numbers / Caveat Emptor...not a '69 Camaro VIN
« on: July 19, 2018, 02:34:29 PM »
https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/chevrolet/camaro/2140064.html?refer=alert

VIN is listed as 11611L113661. Could be an error in the listing. However, if that tag is on the car it may have been illegally swapped over from some other car.

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Decoding/Numbers / Caveat Emptor..block stamp
« on: June 29, 2018, 08:24:39 PM »
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-z28/132682303205?hash=item1ee47b46e5:g:-WMAAOSwUP5a86WT&vxp=mtr

124379N639889

All numbers matching...

The V0425DZ stamp does not compare with other known originals.


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Decoding/Numbers / Caveat Emptor...ad is missing 'recreation'.
« on: June 22, 2018, 11:41:18 AM »
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-RS-SS/113086988337?hash=item1a54828031:g:BRoAAOSwrWVbK7sq&vxp=mtr

124679N692822

To find one with true matching numbers is hard to come by, and THIS Camaro has true matching numbers. It also features true X22D80 396 375 HP matching numbers engine.

Odd to see a VIN stamped pad on a car built October '69.

It is a factory D80 car, which is factory front air dam and rear spoiler car. Also has interior code option 713 which is factory black houndstooth interior and also factory paint code 69 factory quartez silver.

And it's all on the body tag!

This car has been restored to all original condition.

It's a jungle out there.


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Decoding/Numbers / Caveat Emptor...beware the carefully worded ad
« on: June 20, 2018, 04:37:36 PM »
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28/302778138290?hash=item467efbbeb2:g:enAAAOSwsEhbKlJe&vxp=mtr

124379L529083

First line of text from the ad:

Here we have an all original three owner 1969 Z28 survivor with 66,045 miles on it.

Ballsy claim for a non-original drive train car that has been repainted. Missing AIR system, wrong exhaust manifolds, alternator, air cleaner lid, rear wheels, grille incorrectly painted. Ad claims deluxe seat belts; pic shows standard belts.

Wonder why there is no sound deadener on those 'original' rear quarter panels?

For that matter there are very few cars in this original condition in existence.

You be the judge.




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Decoding/Numbers / Caveat Emptor...another tag mismatch
« on: June 08, 2018, 01:25:37 AM »
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-SS-350-4-Speed-Restored-MUST-SELL-NO-RESERVE-Z-28/302740761515?hash=item467cc16bab:g:KvIAAOSwwTla~yps&vxp=mtr

124379N517343

That's the VIN from the ad; would have been final assembled on or about October 5, 1968 at the Norwood, Ohio plant. The body tag shown is from a car built early December, 1968 at the Van Nuys, CA plant. They restored the car to match the tag.

From the ad:

RARE ORIGINAL LOS ANGELES TRIM TAG
CODE 727 IVORY INTERIOR
CODE 72-72 HUGGER ORANGE


Unfortunately, the tag is not original to the car.

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Decoding/Numbers / Caveat Emptor..block stamp
« on: June 04, 2018, 11:07:19 PM »
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro/323288186793?hash=item4b457a3fa9:g:n68AAOSwgslbFbC1&vxp=mtr

124379N537300

Block stamped V1105DZ: looks nothing like the Nov '68 examples I have.

From the ad: It is a very early November 1968 Norwood built car pre (X-coded) that maintains it original matching numbers Dz 302.

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Decoding/Numbers / Caveat Emptor...another tag mismatch
« on: June 01, 2018, 11:36:05 PM »
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro/132646473426?hash=item1ee2588ed2:g:sPcAAOSw4RZbEa-c&vxp=mtr

124379N536628

Car was final-assembled on or about November 5, 1968. Has an 02B body tag, 2nd week February 1969. Tag is real but from another car.

From the ad:

Real x-11 Norwood build car

Correct color combo Factory code 76 Daytona Yellow




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Decoding/Numbers / Caveat Emptor...another tag mismatch
« on: May 29, 2018, 05:00:36 PM »
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-RS-SS/142813685598?hash=item21405be75e:g:cMcAAOSw--xbDVlK&vxp=mtr

124379N555722

Car was final-assembled on or about December 6, 1968. Has an 02A body tag, 1st week February 1969. Tag is real but from another car; didn't even bother to paint the rivets.

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Decoding/Numbers / Caveat Emptor...another tag mismatch
« on: May 18, 2018, 04:26:58 PM »
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Camaro-Z28/113001459612?hash=item1a4f696f9c:g:6cgAAOSwuyNa~vUu&vxp=mtr

124379N518770

That's an early October 1968 VIN. Body tag is dated 12D, 4th week December 1968. One or both tags are not original to the car.

From ad text:

FULLY DECODED TO BE CORRECT TO THE TRIM TAG.

PLEASE KEEP YOUR NEGATIVE COMMENTS TO YOURSELF.  IF YOU SEE SOMETHING YOU DON'T LIKE THEN DON'T INQUIRE ABOUT THE CAR.

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