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Originality / Re: 1969 Camaro Z28 shifter knob or ball options
« on: Today at 01:36:44 PM »
This seems like a good opportunity to clarify something.

The chrome knob did not use the lock nut as used on the Hurst T-handle. I regularly see locknuts under the knob, even on cars going through judging.

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General Discussion / Re: Current market price of an original 1969 Z28
« on: April 18, 2024, 10:57:33 PM »
Unrestored, original cars usually don’t need to be auctioned. Auction cars are virtually always restored. However, there will be three excellent original examples at Mecum Indy.

Does not include cross-ram or JL-8 cars.

Using 2022-2024 auction data from Barrett-Jackson, Mecum and GAA here’s the results:

Z/28   50 examples average sale w/fee    $110,721
24 sales were over six figures including $275k and $220k. The $295k Powder Blue Z/28 at B-J Scottsdale 2022 was not included

Z/28-RS   27 examples average sale w/fee $105,926
15 sales were over six figures

I don’t go into a lot of detail but note obvious flaws. These are comments seen for cars under six figures.

-nom
-black grille
-houndstooth seats/standard interior
-headers
-X33 trim added to X77 car
-T-10 trans
-obvious amateur restoration

Not much variance between the years.



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Decoding/Numbers / Re: DZ BLOCK INFO
« on: April 14, 2024, 07:29:01 PM »
Yes it did.

Full VIN 124379N558777. No hits on that VIN.

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General Discussion / Re: TT for sale FB Illinois
« on: April 13, 2024, 03:53:46 PM »
Belongs on 123679N514693.

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Originality / Re: Breather elbow hose
« on: April 12, 2024, 03:19:43 PM »
Here's a couple of original photos.

The first shows it can't be installed with the connector pointing left.

A couple of observations. The hose has to be positioned much farther down the connector than it is. I suspect your air cleaner base may not be correct, or the tube is loose. The original pics seem to show the tube in a slightly different location or clocked differently. There were several different open element air cleaner bases.


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Decoding/Numbers / Caveat Emptor...scam?
« on: April 12, 2024, 01:56:48 PM »
https://www.ebay.com/itm/116142229155

Photos show VIN and body tags, and a re-stamped block.

124679N605811

Photos of the warranty folder show a different car, 124379N602589. Also appears to be the car pictured in the ad.

124379N602589 is a 72 E 713 SS-RS coupe, was on ebay June 2019.

124679N605811 is a 72 B 712 SS convert sold Barrett-Jackson Palm Beach 2008.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Need Help Identifying 69 Rally Wheel
« on: April 08, 2024, 05:54:04 PM »
Could be an FW code wheel dated December 21 for the 1976 model year.

Physically the same as a YH.

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Originality / Re: 69 RS Z28 Rally Sport emblem question
« on: April 03, 2024, 02:07:05 PM »
Three excellent original '69 Z/28s will be at Mecum Indy. Two are Rally-Sports, all have VE3. Same long-term ownership.

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Originality / Re: 69 RS Z28 Rally Sport emblem question
« on: April 02, 2024, 05:31:19 PM »
It's looked like that since it sold at a 2019 GAA auction for $46k.

The drive train does appear to be original.

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Originality / Re: 69 RS Z28 Rally Sport emblem question
« on: April 02, 2024, 03:23:31 PM »
Actually, some of it is still green. But dash repainted, seats look black.

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Originality / Re: 69 RS Z28 Rally Sport emblem question
« on: April 02, 2024, 02:08:50 PM »
There is zero proof that is original sheet metal. The car has been 'restored/repainted' all bets are off.

There are many claims about how ‘original’ the car is yet the ducted hood was added, master cylinder, booster, rear springs, shocks, sound system and speakers are aftermarket replacements. The RS headlamp washer system, AIR system and clock are missing. Rear stripes are incorrect, steering wheel isn’t original. Trunk mat doesn’t belong; no 1st Gen Camaro had a spare tire cover. Has headers and a muffler shop exhaust system. Dash pad is badly warped, fuel tank is damaged, bell housing is not original. 

In my 49 years of 1969 Camaros, I have yet to examine a real RS-Z/28 built with Camaro fender emblems. I have explained how it may have occurred. Last year an original paint Z/28-RS also built at Norwood a few weeks earlier was found in the AZ desert, rally-sport fender emblems intact.       

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Originality / Re: 69 RS Z28 Rally Sport emblem question
« on: April 01, 2024, 11:02:58 PM »
Already sold?

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Originality / Re: 69 RS Z28 Rally Sport emblem question
« on: April 01, 2024, 08:08:20 PM »
Send the link so the Kangaroo Court empaneled here can provide guidance.

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Originality / Re: 69 RS Z28 Rally Sport emblem question
« on: April 01, 2024, 02:06:39 PM »
Emblem specification and fender piercing was performed on the Chevrolet side during final assembly, per the Body Broadcast Copy. Normative practice for the combination of options was rally-sport fender badging and an rs emblem for the standard steering wheel [some very early production cars also had an RS grille emblem]. If both fenders had been pierced incorrectly and painted, it is possible inspection would have allowed it.

No matter, it would have been considered an error.

Early COPO RS were built with Camaro front fender emblems, later revised to rally-sport emblems.

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Restoration / Re: Y Duct revision
« on: March 16, 2024, 02:17:33 AM »
There was a service bulletin on the change.

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