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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Mixed N vin and LOS trim tag?
« on: January 04, 2018, 04:48:19 PM »
Trust your nose.

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Originality / Re: 1969 Wheel well chrome
« on: December 27, 2017, 06:46:55 PM »
No. Non-style trim cars were not drilled for the moldings.

The front moldings were mostly retained by the fender to skirt screws. Two holes were needed in the fender extensions; done on the Chevy side and covered in the Z21 section of the Assembly Instruction Manual.

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Originality / Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
« on: December 17, 2017, 06:21:47 PM »

Bill,
What do the road tests show for the rear moldings on non-RS cars?

Ads are a poor source of data, btw. The cars are often not indicative of production.

Really had to do some digging. Here's a '68 Nickey Camaro promo photo. No idea of the source; Nickey closed in the early '70s. Looks like the rear molding ends near the rocker spear. Based on the stripe the car was built prior to January 1968.

Dug out copies of '68 Camaro body trim from the illustration index in the 1/1/68 P & A book. Only one rear wheel well molding is listed; 7741686 & 7741687 [L & R]. At the front, 4 part numbers are listed designated 'RS' and 'exc RS'.

Conclusion: I stand corrected. It appears Chevy intended to and built '68 RS and Z21 Camaros with the clipped rear wheel well molding. Other pics are inconclusive. I did find a feature on a special paint '68 Z/28 in the January 1973 Super Stock. It is a style trim car and has the clipped rear molding.

FWIW I did find a Chevy promotional pic of a '68 Camaro and it shows a full-length molding.

Looks dumb to me but apparently built that way.

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Originality / Re: Trunk decal for posi traction
« on: December 13, 2017, 11:29:10 PM »
William, Is that a date (7-22-58) on the bottom next to the part number?

I believe so. Used the label for many years.

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Originality / Re: Trunk decal for posi traction
« on: December 13, 2017, 07:51:31 PM »
This is NOS, sitting in a drawer for about 30 years. Measures 5.0" x 6.44".

Not self-adhesive; glued to the lid.

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Originality / Re: 1967 RS/SS black paint on rear tail light panel.
« on: December 12, 2017, 11:10:09 PM »
I believe the pic of the black '69 is telling. Per the paint charts for '69 the formula used for Tuxedo Black is 9300; the black used for stripes is 9000. The rear panel was probably the same black used for striping. Was done after reflow; not sanded or polished.

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Originality / Re: 1967 RS/SS black paint on rear tail light panel.
« on: December 12, 2017, 05:18:54 AM »
Here's another discussion on the topic.

http://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=134256&highlight=gloss

Here's an older one from our site.

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=2458.0

There are several exceptional, original paint survivors with glossy rear panels. Why aren't there any satin survivors?







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Originality / Re: 1967 RS/SS black paint on rear tail light panel.
« on: December 12, 2017, 03:28:29 AM »
Maybe it will look like this. Maybe it won't.


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Originality / Re: 1967 RS/SS black paint on rear tail light panel.
« on: December 12, 2017, 02:48:04 AM »
Everyone says that-they were polished. No they weren't. You're saying your memory trumps an original car?

It was done with lacquer. Sometimes it dried dull, sometimes it dried glossy. Simple as that.

When I was completing my '69 Z/28 years ago I examined an original paint Le Mans blue Z/28-RS to determine how the rockers should be painted. To my surprise, they were just as glossy as the rest of the car. I doubt someone crawled around under it, buffing the paint.

This recently sold, one of the most original '69 Yenkos known.

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Originality / Re: 1967 RS/SS black paint on rear tail light panel.
« on: December 11, 2017, 11:58:36 PM »
There are examples of OE paint survivors of all years with glossy rear panels. Note that the gloss level on the spoiler is very similar to the black rear panel. Have a few others, same deal.

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Originality / Re: 1967 RS/SS black paint on rear tail light panel.
« on: December 11, 2017, 11:18:02 PM »
I seem to remember quite a few different tape lines on original cars.

Chevy built 36,727 1st Gen Camaros with 396 engines. None of us has seen 1% of them with original paint.

Nothing wrong with noting what has been observed [including some gloss black panels] but I wouldn't draw any conclusions from such a tiny sample size. There could be other variations.

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Originality / Re: 1967 RS/SS black paint on rear tail light panel.
« on: December 10, 2017, 06:28:47 PM »
How it was done @ 57 cars per hour.

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No one knows what significance, if any, it might have. They could have just incremented to 04D. 04L appears about the same time as 05A, they were interspersed in production over a period of about 2 days. A few Firebirds were 04L. The 'broken die' theory seems far-fetched.

The body tag was only referenced by Fisher Body-Norwood assembly had no use for it. Fisher could have used 04L to signify a number of situations: a different process, orders to be expedited or delayed. I have compared the 60 or so 04L cars in the db and nothing jumps out. Maybe slightly odd, none are 6 cylinder.

Or, it was just an error and has no special meaning.

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Originality / Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
« on: December 08, 2017, 06:34:07 PM »
The statements you just made contradict that:

"This tells me that ALL 1967 and 1968 Camaros ordered with Z21 or Z22 got the same exact molding."

"...but according to the AIM's, for production, there was only one set for the fronts."

Neither statement is accurate.

These are correct, with slight editing:

1968 Z21 (non-Rally Sport) - Got the "long" moldingS as shown in the top pictures. Same as all '67s if so equipped
1968 Z22 (Rally Sport) - Got the "short" moldingS as shown in the lower pictures. '68 RS only.

By now Allen is probably sorry he asked!

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Originality / Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
« on: December 08, 2017, 04:28:05 PM »
Nope. The assembly manual is just that: assembly instructions. If a different part assembles the same, they use the same instructions. There are plenty of examples in all the AIMs.

'68 Z/28, Hi-Performance Cars October '68.

Once again, worked in a parts business for 15 years. Not the first time I have had to explain this:

All '67s with Z21/Z22 and '68s with Z21 used the same 4 wheel well moldings. Only '68 RS used the 4 shorter moldings.

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