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436  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Chambered exhaust on: March 05, 2007, 12:10:58 PM
To my ear, the Z's are louder than big blocks in general. There are many variable that contribute, such as compression, chamber and exhaust manifold configuration and camshaft profiles.
437  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: blackout rear tailpan on: March 04, 2007, 02:55:20 PM
To answer the second part of your question, regarding exceptions there were a few. The actual 1967 Indy track BB pace cars did not have the blacked out tail panels, however most did including C1 and 01 coded cars. Also GM documents states exceptions for a few dark colors, but I have examined several orig paint cars with the panels blacked out. For instance my survivor rs/ss L78 tahoe turqouis  car was blacked out which is contrary to GM docs. In 1969 BB Z10's and Z11"s did not get blacked out tail panels. Again dark colors such as burnished brown were supposed to be excluded, but I have examined a few orig paint cars and they were painted black.
438  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: blackout rear tailpan on: March 04, 2007, 12:57:21 PM
Yes BB only.
439  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67 Pace cars on: February 28, 2007, 11:48:48 AM
I believe that keeping it titeld in Chevrolet Motor Division is absolutely great...it adds to its provenance. My specialty insurance allows me to insure cars that are not titled/registered, so I see no problem.  
440  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67 Pace cars on: February 27, 2007, 10:24:18 PM
Lets stick to the #3 car we were discussing, rather than make it too confusing , unless thats your intent. Since you only seem to agree/ understand Kurts statement, this is what you agreed with previously when Kurt stated it. Then disputed it when I stated it.

 "There was a pacer that at the event that was a 4K L78. This is an 04D car and is the car that Jeff is referring to. So far, it's the only IPC that's been found that has been a 4K car. Since it was a regular car (regular here meaning it was not one of the pacers)"

It was a regular pace car NOT a car that was prepped or paced the event, therefore it was NOT the #3 pace car.
441  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67 Pace cars on: February 27, 2007, 10:14:57 PM
Sorry, I pasted too much of your statement. Let try this:

Also you now agree that the statement you made " The first and only Real 4K pacecar is the #3 car Period." is not true.
442  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67 Pace cars on: February 27, 2007, 09:55:17 PM
I was referring to Kurts definition of regular, which you agreed with previously. "(regular here meaning it was not one of the pacers)"


Also you now agree that the statement you made " So if Chevrolet didn't want it to be a L78, why do you think it should be?
The first and only Real 4K pacecar is the #3 car Period." is not true.
443  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67 Pace cars on: February 27, 2007, 09:43:50 PM
Thanks for clearing that up Kurt. And just to clarify it a bit further this 4K car was NOT the #3 pace car, rather just a regular festival car.
444  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67 Pace cars on: February 27, 2007, 07:37:33 PM
Lets stick to the facts as presented by Charley and Phil. There is absolutely no question that this car had an L78 drivetrain installed by the factory assembly line and delivered as such to GM Engineering. Facts are indisputable when backed up by original engineering documentation, and a protecto plate as proof it was built and delivered as such. Opinions, well everyone may have one, but in this case they are not necessary as the documents speak volumes.
445  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1967 396 on: February 26, 2007, 11:47:35 AM
The car left the assembly line as an L78 4spd and delivered to the tech center as such, with the protecto plate in the glove box documenting the orig installed drivetrain info.  Subsequent changes were made at the tech center.

I would like to thank Charley for sharing his car, by showing it at his expense for all to see at several show a year. Two of which were the GM Nationals. This allowed the researchers/ historians the ability to connect the dots and identify the cars historical past in full verifiable detail.

446  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1967 396 on: February 26, 2007, 10:55:43 AM
I too want to make sure that the facts regarding pace car#1 are presented accurately.

*Fact the car would have been coded 4N if the original intention was for it to be an L35. 

*The original documentation backs the fact that it was built an L78.

*Fact the car has the original  protecto plate which I dentifies that this car was built as an L78 , 4spd car.

*Engineering subsequently decided to convert the car to a L35/L34 engine and automatic. Possibly for reliability/ ease of driving issues.

So in summary the car was built as an L78 and converted. All of this is documented with engineering work orders.

If anyone has information that is contrary please share it. The histories of these cars are important and our goal should be to present is as accurately as possible. Isn't this what this forum is about...

447  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1967 396 on: February 24, 2007, 08:21:48 PM
Pat to my knowledge the L78 pace cars were the first, as Charley pointed out.
448  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: firewall overspray on: February 07, 2007, 09:58:53 PM
Another 69 Survivor Z28 built 4D. Hope this helps... I have other years as well.
449  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: firewall overspray on: February 07, 2007, 09:23:38 PM
Unrestored firewall 69 Z28 built 5A. Note the orig PTB stamp and the RED written in crayon, under the black.
450  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: firewall overspray on: February 07, 2007, 04:45:41 PM
Attached is a pic of my survivor 69 L34 built 9B of 68. The black is almost to the top and has the correct factoryfeathered edge. The placement of the black edge varies from car to shift and plant. I have inspected many survivor cars and I would not say that the seam is a good reference point. I have many more pics of this car as well as other survivors.
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