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376  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Vintage Camaro Certification @ Camaro Nationals on: January 16, 2008, 12:43:22 PM
Vintage Camaro Cerification is a judging program whose sole purpose is to recognize, provide status and promote unrestored Camaros. We believe it is the only program that focuses on and documents unrestored Camaros. It is truly amazing the jewels of information that can be learned from these benchmark cars and the provenance your car earns through our program. Certifications are held annually at the Camaro Nationals @ Carlisle sponsored by American Camaro Association and held in conjunction with the All GM Nationals. We offer four levels of certification, based on the originality of the Camaro. Over the last eight years we were fortunate enough to certify several outstanding cars, a 1970 Dick Harrell 454 Conversion (Steve Sandlin), 19K mile 69 Yenko(Don Stowers), 14K mile 69 RS/SS L78(Jeff Boone), 9k mile 70.5 RS/Z28(Ben Arena) and a 12Kmile RS/SS L48(Rick George), Original owner 18K mile 67 RS/SS L35 and a host of other amazingly original and unrestored cars. This coming year we still have space available. We presently certify 1967 to 1973 Camaros. If you are interested and think your car qualifies, or want to know more about our program email me at sshauger@optonline.net and I will send you our Rules and Guidelines packet or call 631-514-9765... Click on the attachment to find out more details. If you are into Camaros this is the show, June 20, 21 & 22.

Steve Shauger
Vintage Camaro
377  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Bright Quarter Panel Moldings on: January 14, 2008, 07:13:43 PM
Did all SS 396's in 1969 come with the bright quarter panel moldings ? The data on X codes at CRG seems to indicate so.  Thanks.

All 396's came with the quarter gills (X66&X22), however X22 received the fender and quarter molding as well as other bright work.
378  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 SS stripes on: January 04, 2008, 10:14:55 AM
Just to clarify the wheel opening pin striping which was part of the Z21 (style trim) was not available on the Z28 or SS. The only exception being the pace car.
379  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67 AM/FM and rear antenna on: January 03, 2008, 11:46:34 AM
Thanks for the info.  Here is a link to a picture of a 67 AM/FM on Ebay which confirms what you are saying about how to identify. 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140194541108&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting

I am not looking to buy a radio, but I have a 67 with an AM/FM with rear antenna.  I am trying to figure out if the AM/FM was added at a later date.

Well as been stated, the rear antenna is an AM radio only option, so either the am/fm was added or the rear antenna. A little detective is all it takes.
380  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67 AM/FM and rear antenna on: January 03, 2008, 11:17:00 AM
Just want to correct my above post. 1967 am/fm were part# 986824 and 68 were 7303241. If the tags are missing the easiest way to tell is 1967 radios have no am/fm on the lens near the switch and 1968 does have am/fm on the lens by the slide switch.
381  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67 AM/FM and rear antenna on: January 03, 2008, 10:48:29 AM
I believe on a 67 there are dashes between the numbers. For instance on FM dial 102 -104 - 106 and 68 just had  102  104  106. Its been a while since i investigated this but there are differences between the dial script. Hopefully someone can confirm....
382  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Gear reduction unit on: January 01, 2008, 02:03:03 PM
And I think that with an 9 tooth drive gear, the car doesn't neet the adapter at all (like John's car).

That would be my guess as well. I don't have any data on 9 tooth drive gears utilizing a reducer. Each transmissions has a part# tag that designated its build configuration. If 9 tooth drive gear transmissions did not need adapter/reducer in high numerical gear applications then why wouldn't they install transmissions configured as such based on the part# tag. Assuming that the pn tag/brass tag in fact provided a configuration/BOM for the trans.
383  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Yellow marking on smog pump on: January 01, 2008, 01:16:04 PM
I have looked at many cars both big block and small block built first week of production of 69 and none have had the relief valve.
384  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Gear reduction unit on: January 01, 2008, 11:14:11 AM
I believe 22 tooth Driven Gear will work with that adapter.
385  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Gear reduction unit on: January 01, 2008, 10:32:43 AM
The key is transmission drive gear teeth. If your transmission has a 8 tooth drive gear the following should work for
4.10 Rear Axle,  F70-14 Tires, 8 tooth Drive Gear (P/N 3924098), 20 tooth Driven Gear (P/N 3860343),  Adapter P/N 6476736. This is good for 3 or 4 speed transmission.
386  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Exhaust Systems on: December 31, 2007, 07:40:52 PM
As been mentioned the Gardner system is a near perfect replication of the original and the way to go if your planning to have the car judged. If you are not necessarily into original and want more of a performance system the American Thunder by Flowmaster gives you a good value. The flowmaster system is not close to original, although the tail pipes give you an original type look. 
387  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Gear reduction unit on: December 31, 2007, 11:58:25 AM
I believe I answered my own question "The transmission drive gears you mention 8&9 tooth, was 16 also used? "

The 16 tooth drive gear was used in the Turbo Hydramatic application.
388  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Gear reduction unit on: December 31, 2007, 09:45:21 AM
Another isssue that comes into play is the drive gear on the main shaft.  There are two, 8 and 9 tooth.  In my 35+ years of rebuilding Muncies, I have seen both used for the same model year application.

Jerry

I agree with you and Kurt regarding the use of the reducer "The use of the reducer involved a couple of variables such as tire size and transmission shaft/speedo gear as well." (driven/drive gears)

The transmission drive gears you mention 8&9 tooth, was 16 also used?

I have a listing of reducers which shows it was possible to have one on a 373 gear car as well. Have you seen any used on any 15" wheel applications such as z28's and Yenkos?


BTW everyone have a safe and happy New Year
389  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: CONSOLE GAUGE LOW FUEL MODULE on: December 30, 2007, 10:09:55 PM
You got it. I had a lot of fun isolating that problem. Grin
390  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Black Z28/RS Grill on: December 30, 2007, 09:30:32 PM
I'm finally getting around to correcting a few restoration issues on my '69 Z28/RS.  It's black with white stripe as original.  Only problem is the previous owner did not paint the grill the original Argent color.

Can someone tell me how much of the grill was Argent?  Is the entire area within the chrome trim around the grill what needs to be Argent?

In the case of black RS cars they received a silver grill (all other cars received black rs grills). Original silver grill plastic was tan/grey color and then painted silver from the front side. The silver coverage was complete looking from the front side, however from the back side you could still see the tan plastic on the outer edges.

If you have a black grill, you may want to paint the whole grill  tan/grey color first and then apply the finish silver.   
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