John's answer about Corvette judging is the same as Camaro.  The cars have to be restored to the way they left the plant.  No add ons, if you add them, there are points taken off.  Many like to install that engine mount recall kit.  If we see one on a car, there is a point deduction.  If you add spoilers and they were not factory installed, there will be a point deduction.

If you have the window sticker to the vehicle or dealer invoice, the car must match in every option.

Jerry

Just so I understand.  how do judges deal with cars that do not have documentation?  For example, does a car have to have a D-80 on the trim tag to have spoilers even though not every car equipped with a spoiler had the D-80 on the trim tag (like LA cars)?   I'm a realist, many more cars now exist with spoilers and cowl hoods than ever left the factory (very popular add on through the ages) but, just as grounded in reality, that doesn't mean that every car that has a spoiler and lacks documentation didn't leave the factory that way...so how do judges cope with such items when judging?

In the case above with the N66 wheels, the car would have to be built in the time period the option was available first. Also the installation of the option would have to be identical to factory. In the case of cowl induction hood the relay, hole above fuse box and accelerator linkage would be check proper location and originality of components.

Regarding the dealer installed items. That opens up a can of worms itself, for instance was this item an RPO or over the counter. My take is that over the counter items were NOT a factory item ( RPO) and shouldn't be considered in a" Original Judged Class/Factory Born Class".  If the option that was added was an available option during that cars build period, and  they have real verifiable documentation that the deal installed it fron new,then I feel some consideration should be given.

If I owned a car with over the counter items and accessories, I would have it judged without first and then add the option or accessory as I see fit. This is only my opinion, and also feel the more exceptions made,  the more diluted judging becomes.

That looks like the L89 that was judged in Legends class @ Carlisle. Ken P., Frank A. and the Supecar Workshop guys restored that car.

Kurt, there is no helping Charley, as he is a full gloss advocate

I have observed on most original car that have been certified through the Vintage Camaro  (survivor class at Carlisle) to have some degree of exterior color overspray on the underside floors pans. This overspray has been found on both the sealant and plugs. I have never seen primer on the plug or sealant just body color. Another item to note is that the adhesion property of the plated plugs is very poor and in many cases some of the paint has come off. Also the degree of body overspray on the floor boards themselve varies quite a bit, therefore varying the amount on the plugs/sealant. Remember this is not a black and white issue as I stated some cars will have alot of overspray and some may have very little if any left after 38 + years.

I will review my photo files and look for very clear examples, one that comes to mind is Don S.'s 69 HO Yenko. That car had an amazing underside, that was very well preserved and showed the overspray very well.

Does the solenoid engage or click, if so it is probably starter related. I know John Perkle installs bigger motor windings when he rebuilds starters.

Also I have had solenoid issues where it wouldn't even click when hot. The tolerances between the plunger and coils  closed up due to heat expansion and wouldn't allow the plunger to engage. That was a simple fix, I purchased a hi temp solenoid from MCCP Ron 815-648-1700. 

Well I have had numerous sets of white and black NOS door stripes including the ones I just put on my car and they are not exactly high gloss, but I dont think they were meant to be. The fender stripe on my car when I bought it in 1980 was orig and it was gloss black. The door stripes are close but not as glossy as the paint. I still have a few sets left over somewhere in my pile of parts. I bought some of them in 81 from the dealer.
My original rockers had the orig paint on them and they were more like a 30-40% gloss.

Regarding black tail panels and rockers, the original paint cars I have inspected an owned have been semi gloss, say 70-80% gloss. This issue has been debated for ever. I believe many semi gloss tail panels have been polished over the years and this tends to make them appear gloss.

 

The shakers were installed after the trunk was painted. They were hung in the trunk, painted with the trunk, and then installed.
The bolts will not have splatter paint on them.

That solves the mystery as to why the shakers had paint. Thanks for clearing that up.

Did the trunk get spatter painted before or after the convertible weight balast were installed?

The trunk was painted after the shakers were installed. I have seen unrestored cars with splatter paint on the shakers.

John,

As everybody knows, the D/90 stripe utilized a tape section for the doors.  I've never actually seen an NOS set of door stripes so I don't know if they are gloss,
semi-gloss, etc..  Also, how well did the painted portion ( on the front fenders ) match the gloss level of the door stripes?  I probably should have paid attention
to this years ago.  When I restored my '69, I had the stripes painted on ( doors as well ) because none of the dealers could get me the door stripes and/or the
front fender masks.  Funny how they later showed up on eBay 20+ years later.

Steve

It is difficult to tell the the tape on the door and the paint on the fender. I had a couple nos stripe kits and they were definitely gloss.

The pre X coded tags were dimensionally smaller. This is the point daveh is making. What is the build date of the car your looking at? 

Ken,  also be aware that the armrest for the tape player only came in white, no matter what color interior the car had.

They were painted based on your interior color and matched the console color. I have never seen an original arm pad unpainted.

Proceed with the amperage test, but it is probably the solenoid sticking/expanding when hot. I have replaced the standard with high temp unit on several cars and never had a problem. I know Ron at MCCP sells them and someone out west as well. His # is 815-648-1700.

This tragedy has touch everyone to certain degree. It really hit home for me because I had worked closely with Professor Kevin Granata. Our company provided many of his research tools. A brilliant researcher in the biomechanics field.  Sad , very sad....

No big blocks with A/C in 67.

That tire was made in 69. BTW they do not reproduce these F 70 14 Tiger Paws. What is amazing about this tire is that the don't seem to  dry rot. They wore out very quickly, not a very high mileage tire, even for standards back then.