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16  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: June 69 Z28 Tachs on: June 01, 2014, 04:21:01 AM
My 9A has a 6000/7000 .

9A of 68 or 69?

1969
17  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: June 69 Z28 Tachs on: May 30, 2014, 10:30:47 AM
My 9A has a 6000/7000 .
18  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Original dealer info for 1st gens is available on: May 10, 2014, 10:22:00 PM
I hope the first of you guys to get the report back, will please post pics of what is provided, so the rest of us will see it nice and clear.
Thanks in advance!

Bullitt,

Based on what Roy Sinor has told us we will receive, and based on my own car's VIN and dealer tag and label (on the car when I purchased it in 1976), I can predict what my letter will say... Smiley

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    "Subject to the General Conditions listed on the reverse side, National Corvette Restorerís Society, Inc, confirms the following information exists in the GM shipping data records for the 1969 Camaro with vehicle identification number  124379N686XXX.
                    .
    The GM official Production Date was 9/17/1969

    The original delivery dealer was Dealer code 73   in zone 8 .

    The name and Address for the dealer was:
       Joe V Clayton Chevrolet, Inc
       Arab, AL  35016
"

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My only point with this is that most of us know or suspect the information on our cars already, and we can calculate the production date based on the VIN, but what the service does for us is PROVIDE GM CONFIRMATION of that information!  and that is well worth the $50 IMO...   Smiley

When I get my letter, I'll update this and see how good my prediction was.... Smiley

WELL, my report came in today (#136 submitted).  

I'm not a happy camper;  I'm less knowledgable now than I thought I was before.. I missed the production date by a day (I predicted 17Sept, but it actually was the 18th.. (Not a big surprise to me, as I always knew it was one of those days.. borderline situation)...  But the real surprise I received was..   Zone 21  Dealer 73 ...   UNKNOWN....   Sad

So apparently having the Joe V Clayton plaques and tag bracket did NOT indicate the original dealer it was shipped to?  Clayton Chevrolet is Dealer 73 in Zone 8 (per the database info).

Was this car a dealer Transfer?  OR is the zone information WRONG in the records, since the dealer number of 73 is the dealer number for Clayton Chevrolet.   What does  ZONE mean?   Did it ever change for a particular dealer?  Any information or guesses appreciated.. Smiley
  


Yes, in fact in 1969 zone 11 dealer 372 was Max Myers Motors in Middlebury, IN and it appears to change to McManus Chevrolet in Chicago , Il in 1970.This is the info on my 69 Indy Pace Car.


Below is the explanation of why they change. I believe the zone is basically a territory, and territories changed as well.

From NCRS database page:

General Motors assigned zone and dealer numbers to active dealers at the time of assignment.  As dealerships changed ownership and went out of business the dealer number may be re-assigned to other new dealerships.  For this reason dates are included with this information where known.
19  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Original dealer info for 1st gens is available on: May 05, 2014, 07:08:44 PM
Got my confirmation that two of mine are in the mail. Thanks Roy and all those involved to make this happen.
20  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: oil pressure switch plug on: April 28, 2014, 10:04:59 AM
Possibly referencing a non gauge equipped Z, with idiot light sender switch.
21  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Amazing 69 Z/28 Survivor on: April 27, 2014, 05:25:41 PM
Chick,
He finally got it! Good for him and a nice one at that. Can you answer me the following three questions or I can notify him personally and view the car if need be.
1. Are the door strikers allen head or torx
2. Does it have the higher RPM Tach or standard 6-8 Tach
3. The exhaust bracket on the left frame rail. Does it have the two knotches "one on the top and one on the bottom" or does it go straight across. Thanxs Dave


Dave, my 9a has the torx head strikers and the frame rail exhaust bracket has no notches. My tach is an anomaly, as its a 6-7 (l78 tach) . I haven't a clue why that is, and will check for an inspection date.
22  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Z28 carb fuel line bracket. on: April 27, 2014, 01:25:39 PM
My 9a bracket is stamped  STAMP RITE as well.
23  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Z28 carb fuel line bracket. on: April 24, 2014, 01:22:24 PM
Here's a thread from a few years ago. I posted pictures of a bracket from I believe my 9A built Z.
 In the photos its pretty crusty, so I'll see it there are any visible stampings/markings tonight.

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=8747.0
24  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: LG7 behind rear seat and writing on the side of the floor pan hump on: April 22, 2014, 07:49:08 PM
Here is pic of only markings behind seat. Could not find a X code.

LG =Light Green  7= X77
25  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Amazing 69 Z/28 Survivor on: April 22, 2014, 07:57:13 AM
Chick I was going to comment on that as well. How you can relate a shift knob change to a hood replacement is well beyond a real stretch. (BTW as noted the original shift knob was clearly visible in the photo). The orig owner kept just about every part he ever replaced including the original tires. Now look at the facts presented from the pictures regarding the hood; orig hood insulation, original solenoid(assembly line correct), cowl wiring looks original with correct strain reliefs. From what I can see the entire car looks like a time capsule. Also I have documented several late car with the ridged bottom cowl air cleaner so to me there is no debate. Remember the 70 Chevelle SS was also in production at the time this car was produced and could be optioned with the same air cleaner. I believe all 70 chevelles that were equipped with cowm air cleaner have been documented with the ridged bottom.

To throw far fetched theories out there without any evidence or research serves no purpose and does a disservice to this benchmark car. The more I see of this car, the more excited I am to have an opportunity to Vintage Certify it in the future. The car has a great caretaker who will share the car with all of us. A lot of lessens can be learned from the pictures provided.
26  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Amazing 69 Z/28 Survivor on: April 21, 2014, 03:25:22 PM
great information. Is the hurst T-hanlde also original to the car,or was it installed by dealer or owner?




Camaros were never originally equipped with a hurst T-handle. They had a chrome ball
on console equipped cars, and black shifter ball with shift pattern on cars without a console.

27  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Amazing 69 Z/28 Survivor on: April 20, 2014, 10:55:51 AM
Nothing looks out of place, just a stunningly well preserved car. Congrats to the new owner and another car that can be used as a benchmark. Look forward to examining the car...
28  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1968 Z/28 Block - Trans - Rear Numbers... Original Stamps? on: April 19, 2014, 10:43:26 AM
Look genuine to me. The area that looks decked appears to have light reflecting on the pad possibly causing the circular marks . I still see remnants of broach marks, but the pad has been hand sanded/cleaned probably to remove rust.
29  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: need the experts help with stamp pad on: April 17, 2014, 09:38:54 AM
  I can't comment on the correctness of this stamping but I wanted to say you can have a block decked and still retain the stampings providing the decking process doesn't take too much off vs. the depth of the stamp.Most original stampings will have a very-very slight ridge along the characters edge from the metal displacement of the imprint force. Any decking, providing it doesn't take the stamping totally off, will usually even out the slightly raised edge (as this photo looks) depending on the deck cut depth.

Mike

Look closely at the edges of the stamp, and you get the suggestion the feed lines actually roll downward into the lines of the stamp - to me, that indicates the stamping happened after the decking took place. The stamps should be sharp faced, which tends to not deform the material as much as standard character stamps do. Still, not saying this is definitively the case here, it only suggests it. If the block was decked only a few thousands, the stampings might survive intact, but in most cases it will lighten it up considerably (if not completely lift it).

I have a few V0425 DZ stampings and this matches exactly in terms of font and spacing. It looks ok to me.
30  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: need the experts help with stamp pad on: April 16, 2014, 10:20:04 AM
Lucky you I had the same instructions to my machinist, he botched it .... it got somewhat fixed but was preventable

When I rebuilt my Z28 engine (in 1976), I was very afraid to leave the block at the machine shop.. they wanted  to do a 'clean up' cut across the deck...  The machinist told me they would stop before they hit the pad, but I put a piece of duct tape across the pad, and wrote "DO NOT REMOVE" on it...  Smiley   fortunately they didn't machine the pad.. Smiley    I hear so many unfortunate stories, that I actually HATE to leave any of my 'stuff' anywhere with anyone. Smiley .. the 'I'm sorry's' don't undo their damage...

I was also very nervous about having machine work done on my orig Z engine (which happens to be the same date as Gary's)So I had called Jeff my engiene builder to remind him to NOT deck the block because it would remove the assembly stamping which ties the block to the car. He started to laugh and said youíll always be able to identify this block as yours because SHAUGER is stamped under the timing cover. I never recall Radar @ K & G Speed (who did machine work for me in 1978) stamping my name.
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