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Originality / Re: firewall overspray

« on: February 08, 2007, 02:58:53 AM »

Another 69 Survivor Z28 built 4D. Hope this helps... I have other years as well.

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Originality / Re: firewall overspray

« on: February 08, 2007, 02:23:38 AM »

Unrestored firewall 69 Z28 built 5A. Note the orig PTB stamp and the RED written in crayon, under the black.

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Originality / Re: firewall overspray

« on: February 07, 2007, 09:45:41 PM »

Attached is a pic of my survivor 69 L34 built 9B of 68. The black is almost to the top and has the correct factoryfeathered edge. The placement of the black edge varies from car to shift and plant. I have inspected many survivor cars and I would not say that the seam is a good reference point. I have many more pics of this car as well as other survivors.

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General Discussion / Re: Barrett-Jackson lawsuit

« on: February 06, 2007, 09:53:13 PM »

 they must have figured out a way to buy it back?
Don

But Barrett Jackson says they don't allow that to happen....   

Obviously if someone wants to buy their car back they can easily have a buddy bid. BJ will cancel the bid if they believe a  friend or business associate is bidding on the sellers behalf. Policing it is next to impossible, however the seller is now required to pay both the buyer and sellers fee of 18%.

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Originality / Re: Is my DZ motor a phony?

« on: February 04, 2007, 03:02:59 AM »

  I was checking out some 69 Z's online and found a Daytona Yellow Z28/RS at Corvettesandmusclecars.com ( Northwest Auto Sales ). The trim tag has a 12A build date but also has X-33. Is that a phony tag on that car? Just wondering as I keep reading that 12B is the transition to X-code dates?

Fake tag

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General Discussion / Re: Barrett-Jackson lawsuit

« on: February 04, 2007, 12:01:20 AM »

I am curious why the buyer  didn't have Larry C look at the car prior to it being auctioned on the block. It seems at some point the buyer has to take responsibility. Isn't it just the sellers opinion, as he has been quoted as the best, he is not necessarily an expert (nor is he claiming to be one), possibly it's the best in his little world. Did he claim it won any show or that it competed at a high level judged venue?? At some point the buyer needs to take some responsibility, seems like sour grapes afterwards...buyers remorse possibly. Look at the sellers perspective, he paid to sell his car at a great auction and now that opportunity is possibly lost, because some buyer for what ever reason changes his mind. There are risks at auctions, and they are certainly "buyers beware". If you want to buy a car at a auction, you better educate yourself or hire and expert prior to the purchase NOT afterwards. Option wise it is probably up there with the most optioned JL8's.  I know Mike R's lemans blue RS may have a few more, but the list is short.

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General Discussion / Re: Barrett-Jackson lawsuit

« on: January 31, 2007, 08:36:30 PM »

That is because the people were buying the over-restored, made up, recreation cars
with the beautiful base/clear paint, and all the phony paperwork.

The true survivor cars with the dull laquer, or faded paint, and original interiors don't appeal to that type crowd.

What is sad is, that the phony paperwork is starting to get very good.

I laughed a few times when you see that they added the "seat spring" stain.
The Phony POP's are getting extreemly close.
The trim tags are getting better everyday.

Soon the paperwork won't mean anything anymore.
I really don't know what this will do to our hobby, but it cant be good.

I can't agree with the statment regarding survivor cars. Based on my experience survivor cars are as , if not more valuable than concours restored cars in the market. The market interms of buyers may be smaller, but the # of true survivors is even smaller (very rare). This puts them at a premium. A good example was last years survivor Z at BJ that sold for 211K, for a base Z28 with few options. Since survivors are my focus of interest I hear of survivor car selling for tremendous amount of money. To me they will alway bring a premium, and as clones and fake paperwork improve so will the demand for pure pedigreed cars.

I believe the quote above hold true for speculators, trophy buyers and novices however. Benchmark cars are invaluable to the hobby and help preserve our cars true heritage, not some restorers interpretation.

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General Discussion / Re: Barrett-Jackson lawsuit

« on: January 30, 2007, 10:02:07 PM »

Just for giggles, I sent the text of the article as an e-mail both to the Speed Channel's main address as well as to the e-mail address for Wind Tunnel , which is a viewer call in / participation show also on the Speed Channel.  Wanted to see if they would in any way respond to the article since the BJ auction is on the Speed Channel.  Haven't received anything and really don't expect to.  In the spirit of fairness, though, wanted to give them a chance to comment if they wanted to.


Its amazing there were a bunch of people complaining how BJ was ruining the hobby because of the astronomical prices last year, and now another group is complaining how low prices, and how some bidders weren't given and opportunity to bid...hence the low prices..

My take is that the fourwheel drift fella has zero credibility. Most if not all his statments are unfounded or have been proven to be false. With such a big event you can't please everyone. And my take is that it is great entertainment, but you won't see me purchasing a car at an auction anytime soon.

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Originality / Re: Smog pump on 396/350-4sp?

« on: December 29, 2006, 01:03:52 PM »

Hello, Help me settle a bet, did a 69 Norwood car (not for Calif.) with a 396/350 hp w/4 speed and power steering have smog system installed at factory? Thanks,C

Yes, all 69 big blocks had smog regardless of plant or transmission.

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General Discussion / Vintage Camaro Certification @ Camaro Nationals

« on: December 28, 2006, 02:23:30 PM »

Vintage Camaro Certification is a judging program who's sole purpose is to recognize, provide status and promote un-restored (survivor) Camaros. We believe it is the only program that focuses on and documents survivor Camaros. Certifications are held annually at the Camaro Nationals @ Carlisle sponsored by American Camaro Association and held in conjunction with the All GM Nationals. We understand not every original car is 100% untouched, and we offer four levels of certification, based on the originality of the Camaro. This is our eighth year at the Camaro Nationals. This is list of a few cars we have certified at previous shows: 1970 Dick Harrell 454 Conversion (Steve Sandlin), 19K mile 69 Yenko(Don Stowers), 14K mile 69 RS/SS L78(Jeff Boone), 9k mile 70.5 RS/Z28(Ben Arena),12Kmile RS/SS L48(Rick George), 22k mile 70.5 Z28 (Jack Seymore). This program has limited spaces, so register early. The car doesn't necessarily need to rare, just original. If your Camaro is over 30 years old and think your car qualifies, or want to know more about our program email me at sshauger@optonline.net and I will email you our information packet and application or call (631) 514-9765. It is truly amazing the jewels of information that can be learned from these benchmark cars. Participants receive an 8 page detailed report documenting your car, plaque, signed certificate and shirt. If you are into Camaros this is the show, June 22,23 & 24.

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Originality / Re: How do members stand on dealer installed undercoating?

« on: November 06, 2006, 11:28:42 PM »

I have seen a couple of cars that were high pressure steam cleaned, and inspection markings were still present. I know someone who soaked the underside in kerosene and manually (plastic scrapers and rags) cleaned the underside, and again it came out beautiful. My car was undercoated at the dealer and at some point want to remove the undercoating. Obviously it is easier to leave it alone, but that clean factory look is what I am after.

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Originality / Re: How do members stand on dealer installed undercoating?

« on: November 06, 2006, 07:52:04 PM »

I prefer to have the undercoating on my survivor car removed (carefully). Underneath is a pristine underside with a lot good information such as markings, plating and over spray patterns. I have seen a car heavily undercoated, and then with it removed....wow, what a difference. Again you must take precautions when removing the undercoating, but the results will be well worth the effort. One of my goals is to remove it from the underside of my car.
JMHO.

Steve

Vintage Camaro

Hi all !

Originally, our 1st generation Camaro's came from the factory without undercoating.  My particular 69 Camaro has dealer installed undercoating and I have been
toiling with what to do about that.  Should I leave in on ( it would need to be frenhened-up a bit ) or strip it?  Recently, I was encouraged to see a post here
featuring a members car that appeared to have undercoating.  I believe it was JohnZ's 69 Z/28 that had dealer installed undercoating still intact.
 
From a purist's point of view, the undercoating should go.  But, as a survivor, should I leave the undercoating intact?  What do you all think about this?

Steve

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General Discussion / Re: Fish story or not???

« on: October 30, 2006, 11:16:38 AM »

Never made a red 69 Yenko Camaro as well.

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Originality / Re: 69 gas cap

« on: October 29, 2006, 11:05:53 PM »

Both caps have a large S in the middle.
The original cap has a "sm" logo on one ear - the replacement just has a 'S" on the ear.

That was the only difference I saw. The replacement cap is still available from GM.

You guys are right....
Went back and compared.
The replacement caps are not even close to the originals.

The original is round with raised letters, and an sm on the grip.
The replacement has ears, Stamped letters, with only a S on the grip.

The big "S" is the only similar trait.

 The replacement does look like it would work better.
Been a while since I looked.

The caps look the same to me except the orig has a circle around the sm  on the grip. The replacements just has the s. I also notice the grip is 180 deg out compared to orig.

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Originality / Re: original big block heads

« on: October 19, 2006, 12:52:33 PM »

Kurt I believe this subject was discussed before. I had a 6a built L78 and one head was a 840 and the other was a 291. Based on the date of the 291, I believe it was a warranty replacement. Also my understanding was that 291 with older style seats were specifically used as warranty replacements. BTW functionally the heads were not a mismatch, as that car ran great with no issues.