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31  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: TO: CRG members What year Camaro(s) do each of us own? on: April 07, 2013, 08:57:27 AM
No problem Chick - I wasn't intending to come across as being picky - just wondering if you in fact had found another car/owner with the exact same block stamping as ours..
Cheers - would love to see some updates of your amazingly detailed project - are you getting close to completion?

Randy
32  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: TO: CRG members What year Camaro(s) do each of us own? on: April 06, 2013, 08:29:42 PM
Here is a list at team camaro of 68Z's ownership. I started a thread a couple years ago and know some have been sold off, etc. but was a sizeable list of 68 Z/28's. And of course quite a few team camaro members are CRG members. I know of one CRG member who has a 01C 68Z as his engine was built the same day as ours, 12/21/67
Here is the thread: http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=182224&page=13

10C Dale68Z orangeZZ/Blk std LOS07779 Dana Demo Cowl P. ODT POP BOS
11D RPOL72 Ivory/Blk Vinyl/Gold std. int
11E Jerry@CHP White Survivor#351124
12B 2X4 Butternut Yellow-black vinyl/Blk std RS LOS17444 radio delete
12D Hot Rod Todd Blk/Blk deluxe RS Cowl P. NOM
12D Cook_DW MatadorRed/Blk deluxe LOS Cowl P. no tach/console
01B 68camaroz28 Butternut Yellow/Blk std. int. Cowl P. ODT BOS
02C copojo White/Blk std D80 RadioDel Nor#383394 Cowl P. GM Canada Docs
02D sixd8rs Tripoli Turqoise/Turqoise int. NOM #388484
02D realzed born w/Seafrost Green/blk std ODT 61K miles GM Canada Docs
02E paulbruce@sympatico.ca Rallyee Grn/Blk std LOS 302 emblems
02E bowties427 LemansBlue/Blk Std. LOS#332229 Z/28 emblems
02E X66 714 Corvette Bronze/Blk houndtooth LOS#332262 Z/28 emblems
03A SEK Z28 Matador Red/Blk std. In family since 1970
03A Jerry@CHP Matador Red #392050
03C zeds68 Butternut Yellow/Blk std. M22 8N398XXX
03C 302V8 British Green Std 8N399xxx
03D norcal 302 Lemans Blue/Med. Blue Deluxe int. LOS built
04A ggtsvnv Lemans Blue/Blue std. Crawford Chev.,Slayton TX Orig tran/rear
04A Jerry@CHP Dave Strickler's Ol Reliable #411100
04A pjbizjak Ralley Green/ blk std. #413105 storage over 30 yrs.
04B 68RSZEE28 Matador Red/749 RS w/head rests
04C zeds68 British Green/Blk std M22 8N418XXX
04C enio45 Corvette Bronze/Blk std. Build sheet and POP
04D Paul68RS/Z28 British Grn/Wht vinyl/Deluxe Parch. Cowl/headers
04D never2manycamaro's British Green/Blk std #422699 POP
04D 68z28sd British Green/Blk std. #426203
04D ZAPPER68 Lemans Blue w/wht vinyl/Parchement N4265xx POP #'s match
05A rodent4 British Green/Blk std. int.
05B fastfreddy OO Bronze/Blk std. #429642
05B sooperdave Grotto Blue/Blk std. #N431070 POP Black stripe
05C ZZMike British Green/Blk std. N4368XX M20 ODT POP Cross-ram
05D royal67rs Matador Red 8L341406
05D 68zproject ZZ British Green/Blk std. POP
06C fuelnut Lemans Blue/Deluxe Black (orig) N4549xx Orig blk/trans/rear
06C rocket74 Lemans Blue/Blue N456800 BX4:88 POP/Canadian Doc RadioDel
07A buzz_mn_58 seafrost green/712 standard int. vin N4630XX
07A Dayton68Z28 Matador Red, cowl plenum #463934
07B bbd564 Lemans Blu/Blk H-tooth Console/Gauges Orig except 1 repaint
07B yankeechaser Lemans Blue/Blk Houndstooth w/headrests Nor#467951
07C Sonet Ermine White/Red std. 2 owner 38K miles POP
07C Shupee Lemans Blue/Blu std. NOM #4754
07C TerryC British Green/BlkH-tooth N468XXX Heavily optioned post #160

"I know of one CRG member who has a 01C 68Z as his engine was built the same day as ours, 12/21/67"
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I think you mean 02D Chick - if not then there are 3 of us..
Regards - Randy
33  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: 302 valve setting with roller rockers on: March 09, 2013, 01:00:44 PM
Many early cams were single pattern deals and the aftermarketers came out with longer ratio rockers that would to a small degree allow users to add lift and to a small degree more duration to alter the cam characteristics by using them.
They are usually an easy and cost effective 'crutch' to make a cam seem bigger depending on whether you needed more intake flow due to manifold or combustion chamber restrictions or more exhaust timing to assist in getting rid of burnt gasses through poor exhaust setups and are a lot easier to install than changing out the cam itself.. 
34  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: 302 valve setting with roller rockers on: February 04, 2013, 10:44:21 PM
I believe the reason the 90 degree JohnZ/CRG method only works well when OEM stamped rockers are used and not the cast roller, stamped roller tip (comp-type) or machined roller types, is because the tight lash settings as suggested in this method take into account the traditional inaccuracy of most OEM stamped versions - in that they never prove to be even close to the claimed 1.5 ratio - thus the advised tighter cold lash tolerances are used to somewhat make up for this 'lazy' ratio inaccuracy..
Aftermarket and roller type versions are produced to ratios much closer to what is advertised and therefore the cold lash settings as suggested with CRG method would end up with the valvetrain being much too tight when everything warmed up..
I'm sure JohnZ could probably suggest what he considers would be a more appropriate lash for rockers with a real 1.5 ratio, and if I had to guess I would bet it would be close to the .030" the cam was designed and named for..
Randy
35  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Re: Speedometer gearing... on: January 25, 2013, 01:45:35 PM
As an aside to this whole deal - I asked Carson (the Vette owner) how he ended up with a Beaumont 327 and transmission in his car prior to swapping in the ZZ3 engine that is in there now, and his response was "it was an original fuel injection car and I just couldn't get it running right back in the '60's so I swapped drivetrains with a guy who had a '65 Beaumont with a 327 275/4 speed...
Thus the reason for the 3851325 case number that John nailed and that now is in the car.
Ouch! Considering just the cost of a '57 fuelie unit these days - let alone what it would do for the value of his car now, that's gotta hurt - eh?
Just shows how little stock was put on OEM drivetrains and numbers matching pieces 'back in the day'..
36  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Re: Speedometer gearing... on: January 25, 2013, 12:01:23 PM
Sorry to be so late responding as to the outcome of this experiment..

Thanks Joe for the heads up on the 'O' ring - he did finally manage to order a 22 tooth gear from GM as John suggested and got it changed over and Matt as you also suspected, John was indeed correct with the 22 tooth gear fixing the problem perfectly..

Beautiful car with a very good running engine - now with an accurate speedo - what else could anyone ask for?

Thanks again to you all for the assistance - Randy & Carson (the '57 owner)!!
37  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Interesting Color Combo on: January 08, 2013, 08:27:43 PM
Danny - The way I read your comment - you were just admitting your own inability with tags and making fun of yourself in doing so - which I figured was all in good humour and OK, since I feel the same about my own ability to decipher fakes from real ones as well!
Randy
38  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: BLOCK CAST DATE VS PAD STAMP DATE on: January 05, 2013, 10:06:36 PM
that should read 'designated' and not 'designed a'..
39  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: BLOCK CAST DATE VS PAD STAMP DATE on: January 05, 2013, 10:03:52 PM
Yep - the plants were on "rock & roll" back then.  We were pouring 2500 tons per day at Tonawanda MCP.
That certainly was a lot of metal moving - Can you relate just how the metallurgy changed and/or was tracked during much of the casting in a sense of the quality control of the molten batches when so much is being poured and so quickly?
I've heard where '010' and other notations cast behind the timing chain and bellhousing areas referred to the metallurgy content of pour batches in that more Nickel and maybe Tin were introduced into the composition when pouring certain batches of blocks.
Is this in fact true and if so why and how were any additional alloy amounts introduced and/or monitored?
Also, what if true is the reason to pour such blocks verses any others ie: was there a reason for such blending to be done or needed?
Having worked in and around smelters and assay labs in the nickel industry here in Canada for years, I find such things interesting and my own 302 has some of these casting notations on the block and I always wondered if it was really true that it designed  for  'performance blocks' needing maybe more strength over 'regular' ones..
Thanks - Randy
40  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: New Door Seal to The Market on: January 01, 2013, 02:25:10 AM
My son saw and heard me commenting while reading the Ebay listing in this thread a month or so back, about how good a few of you guys thought these seals looked, and this afternoon when I came home there was a box sitting on the table from Bob Harris containing what was supposed to be a set purchased as a Christmas present for me - albeit delayed by Customs as usual..
Other than being aware that my original ones were in very poor condition after so many years, I honestly don't know exactly how any such seals actually fit on a '68 as I truthfully never took a detailed look at the ones presently on the car.
My car presently now sits in a friend's snowbound race car trailer for the Winter, and a true comparison of appearance and fit will have to  wait for months until I can squeeze it out - but my first impression after comparing them to the Ebay photos, is that what I received unfortunately doesn't appear to match the ones as shown.
My son trusted Camaro Specialties and Harris after hearing me read the comments about how good they (and He) were for finding and selling good stuff and it is my hope now that we haven't been screwed over here.
As it is, one of the push-in plugs is missing (just an empty hole in the rubber - really not a real big deal) but it is the configuration of the ends that has me concerned.
I'm not saying that this is what has happened - but we 'cross border shoppers' do occasionally get taken advantage of because sellers know how much of a pain and how expensive it is to return stuff with distance and Customs involved, that occasionally almost anything will get shipped, due to the low chance that someone will spend the extra to return either defective or wrong items.
I hope this isn't of those instances but unfortunately I won't as I said, know until the snow melts and the car is pulled out probably in May.
Good luck to me until then, I guess..
I'll certainly post comments when I actually get to try the fit or at least a better side by side visual, for sure!
41  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Torque Thursts for a 67 camaro z/28 on: December 29, 2012, 11:27:01 PM
Hi Ron

I have a '68 Z and have tried unsuccessfully to mount a couple of sets of TTII's on my car in the past. I was never sure just why as American Wheel specs say they were models that should have also been a correct fit for a '67 Corvette which apparently also has the same large J52 calipers that our '67 and '68 Z's have on them - but I had no luck fitting them..
From what I have seen in my attempts - its not so much the offset or backspacing of the wheels themselves, but more the actual hub where the spokes begin, that seems too large and/or thick and interferes with the calipers (original to my car)..
I would love to hear what success you have in finding some and what specs for any wheels you may end up with that actually do work.
Where I live I am very limited in opportunities to actually get to try many aftermarket wheels at all without having to actually buy and get them shipped here first - so obviously that limits me greatly in experimentation!

Thanks - Randy
42  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Sick of seeing this Z on ebay on: December 15, 2012, 08:27:19 AM
Quote from: KurtS
Guys,
I'd rather the accusatory tone stopped. If you have a question like this, just send an email to Jerry and ask him to comment here.

Kurt: I haven't been following this at all lately - but it wasn't my intention to accuse anyone (especially JM who now that I reread all this, it may have sounded like I was aiming my comment about) and I apologize if it was taken that way.
Rather, I was just grousing out loud at how so often now stories and situations change and/or get morphed into something else, especially by dealers and flippers who only want to 'turn a buck', regardless of how little or much it takes to do that - as evidenced also by Charley's additional info..
As I read this thread in its entirety so far now, there may in fact be some logic as to why the vin# suddenly now is available - but it unfortunately leaves the car tainted in addition to making Dan's previous ownership and subsequent sale of it not as successful as it might otherwise have been..
Its too bad as it is a beautiful car and one I wish I had!
43  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Sick of seeing this Z on ebay on: December 09, 2012, 05:41:23 PM
This whole deal sounds like it sort of substantiates and fosters that old line of thinking 'if you have enough money or influence - you can get whatever you want' - or possibly in this case to rephrase the second half of that to - 'make anything real'.. doesn't it?

 
44  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Official CRG Cap and T-shirt? on: November 15, 2012, 06:36:59 AM
Personally I would rather have a small decal to put on the corner of a windshield or window of my car (much like the old US Camaro Club once had years back) rather than become a walking billboard..
Something small and tasteful that plainly states the reason behind this group and how to make contact (email address or?) so someone looking closely at a group member's car that wishes can learn more about the nuances of various models etc. - would in my eyes be more preferable - but each to their own I guess.
Randy
 
45  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Dash pad codes on: November 06, 2012, 07:03:38 PM
Jerry - everything under the hood was splashed with flat black paint when I got the car and it took me quite a bit of effort and more paint to correct it all - so if there is anything (or was) scripted there, its well buried by now.
As for an original spare mine didn't have an original one and you may be in the .001% of owners who have cars which still do!
As for marks in the valence area I don't ever recall seeing any - but never really looked all that hard and never had any front end parts off for any reason to make it more obvious if it ever would be..
Thanks for the suggestions though - imagine it could be some form of scheduling number but if I understand it correctly there wouldn't be much in the way of correlation between trim parts like a dash pad and front body assembly bits at Norwood which were done in different areas and divisions.
Possibly if the seats, carpets, or headliner etc. were done at the same time as the dash pad in the Chevrolet side and not split between that and the Fisher side, it might be logical that they needed to be tied into a work order number for colour coding etc. and thus such a number to assist in that..
Thanks - Randy
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