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256  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Re: Air Shocks on: July 16, 2007, 08:34:19 AM
I just checked and there is not an air shock made by Monroe that fits multi-leaf 68-9 Camaros anymore. The closest is the one for the single-leaf which doesn't make sense as it is a longer shock, and usually the multi-leaf cars need the longer shock. If your car is finished, I would remove the rear shocks that are on there now. Once you have them removed, measure from the bottom of the upper shock mount to the center of the lower mounting point on the shock plate. If that distance is equal to or longer than the compressed length of the air shock dimensions listed above, then I would say try them. Also compare the extended & compressed lengths of the shocks you removed to the dimensions above. The dimensions are so close that they should work, now don't forget to take into consideration the upper washer and bushing for the shock when measuring your car. I wish I could have helped more. BTW, the NAPA number is MA711 for the single leaf shock, which is the same for O'Reilly's, Advance, and Autozone...............RatPack...........................

Thanks for you efforts - Can't see why the single leaf variety wouldn't work - and I'll probably give them a try. The tech guy said there was some form of interference with the MA711 model but the lines always attach onto the upper half of the shock and don't come even close to the spring pack itself - so I don't know why he said that. I figure I'll try and order a set and see just how they do fit - can always return them if they don't I guess. Thx - Randy
257  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Re: Air Shocks on: July 15, 2007, 05:08:46 PM
The ones you mention sound very close - NAPA we don't have up here - was it a brand exclusive to them or was it a generic brand you ended up with like Gabriel or Monroe?
Thanks - Randy

Randy, those are made by Monroe for NAPA. I can do more verification Monday through a friend that owns the local NAPA store, but I believe Monroe supplies Pep Boys, Autozone, and Advance Auto..........RatPack..........

Rat... I would appreciate that - I ran the MA815 number given previously by Mikey and it is sourced to a Ford Lincoln model!! It may fit but isn't very close model-wise to any Camaro and may not have the proper travel or damping due to the different intended usage...
The 49374 on the box I still had in the garage is in fact a Gabriel number for some sort of Toyota wagon or something -so again ones can be found that will work but possibly just not well as I stated mine never seemed to operate that good from the get go.
I would have thought that Monroe would have other shocks intended for GM and/or other makes and models that the tech help guy would have been able to access when I called - but I guess I caught him on a bad day from the sound of it.
Appreciate any and all help with this - Randy
258  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Re: Air Shocks on: July 14, 2007, 10:01:50 AM
monroe's MA815 work

Mike:
Funny that Monroe doesn't know that... do you have some in use?
Is that part number really intended for that app or is it just for another make or model of vehicle and it apdapts? If that is the case and it has specs close to what a Camaro actually needs I may be tempted to jump on some regardless since my options seem limited obviously - Thanks for all the help I have rec'd so far from everyone here - Randy
259  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Re: Air Shocks on: July 14, 2007, 09:57:02 AM
I have a set on my Z28 and you can have them when I change out for the originals ones I have.  I will look tomorrow and see what kind they are.  I think Gabriel and they do look old.
'68 My old ones are supposed to be Gabriels as well and the old box says 715sc and 49374 on it but no brand name so I wonder what they actually are and supposed to fit...
A friend went the 15 hours from here to a Fall Carlise 12-13 years ago and picked them up for me when there. I'll have to try and run those numbers to see what they were really intended for! - but they did fit although never worked that well.
Thanks for the offer - your old one's shipping would probably end up costing almost as much as new ones here if I could get some - Thanks - Randy
260  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Re: Air Shocks on: July 14, 2007, 09:38:32 AM
It would be up to you as to whether they would fit or not. The last set I bought for a multi-leaf car was about 4 years ago and they were from NAPA. I cannot believe that Monroe would quit making these.............RatPack...............

I can't either - but that was the story I got from a somewhat surly tech-guy yesterday at Monroe. About the only good help I got from him was "the height of the spring pack interferes with the air valve"... He didn't at all seem interested in trying to cross other models or similar GM lines to see if other models might have some that would work either.
The ones you mention sound very close - NAPA we don't have up here - was it a brand exclusive to them or was it a generic brand you ended up with like Gabriel or Monroe?
Thanks - Randy
261  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Air Shocks on: July 13, 2007, 06:35:05 AM
Has anyone found a set of air shocks that will fit the rear of a '68 with multi leaf springs? I tried listings and tech lines for Gabrille and Monroe and all said they had models for '68 single leaf versions - but none for the multi leaf variety - due to clearance issues???
Anyone found a set for a multi leaf application from any other supplier? Nova models apparently have some available but they appear to be different length and mounting brackets although I don't know why, as they were chassis-wise supposed to be the same from what I knew,,,  Thanks - Randy
262  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: New Camaro in Detroit on: July 04, 2007, 04:27:50 PM
I've got my flame suit on so have at me, I just hope that some of this hype from a potential buyer will enlighten them to make some changes before it goes into production

No flames from me here - I have always maintained that the car should have been much more retro from the very outset, and a bare bones Hi- Po model like a '67-'68 L78-type deal available for those who can't afford (and don't want the 6 disk changer/heated mirrors/powered moon roof/version) but want to beat the snot out of the Cobras that are out there now.
I like the way Ford is back-dooring the kits to hop their cars up as well - but they invented that sort of stuff with the early - to mid 90's Mustangs and that is why in my opinion the Camaro line bit the dust soon after. Maybe history is about to repeat itself over again in only a decade! 

The new car just doesn't do it for me and I hate to admit it but the Mustang is the best looking of the bunch so far (no I'm not a Ford fan in the least, just giving credit where due) and IMHO Ford won't get any challenge from the GM stable in this round. The gate has been wide open for a couple of years now but unlike 40 years ago I don't think GM has the goods to make up for the lost time and market with what they are showing here.

I have my asbestos undershorts on now too... so light it up!    Randy

         
263  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Could this be the original distributor in my 1968 Z/28? on: January 22, 2007, 04:29:52 PM
Thanks for the great info jerry - unfortunately now it appears it's not just a fairly expensive distributor, but it appears to be the one that belongs where it is and where it will have to stay - so much for the $$ signs in my eyes!! - Ha just kidding... - Randy
264  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Could this be the original distributor in my 1968 Z/28? on: January 22, 2007, 10:57:48 AM
Good info Jerry... Just curious was the 7A25 a fairly common date for many of these distributors to be coded and if so how many other groups of them have you found other than the 8A & 8B examples that you make reference to?
In other words is the theory that they were produced in batches a workable one and do you have any idea how often did it occur? I always felt my distributor was original to the car but some doubt did linger considering the obvious duration of time the date code displayed. Guess to start this thread off Paul was as well! Thanks again - Randy

 
265  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Could this be the original distributor in my 1968 Z/28? on: January 22, 2007, 03:45:53 AM
Hi Paul:

Yes I'm sure Jerry would know - probably better than anyone out there, but having said that there are still quite a few things that don't always fit 'the norm' when it comes to these first gen cars especially lower volume or specialty models like the Z's etc. but he surely has seen a lot of them and restores these units for customers all the time.
My car is now away in storage and will be for the next 5 months so checking for the water pump numbers isn't at all an easy deal for me at this point. Apparently according to my scribbled notes in my Definitive book (I added my own notes to each part listing in the book as I was searching) I see I found and discerned only part of a date code of G??8 on it when I was originally looking and I guess I never got back to try and find or clairify more than that...
The distributor point cam is the unit that sits on top of the actual distributor shaft itself and has the springs and weights on top, allowing more timing advance than normal due to the longer limiting slot cut into it. The 532 CCW is stamped on the underside of one the the wings of it and you might be able to see it with a small mirror squeezed in and aimed over the points or condensor. Obviously it is much easier to see with the distributor pulled out and held upside down.   - Randy 
266  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Could this be the original distributor in my 1968 Z/28? on: January 22, 2007, 01:31:55 AM
Sorry Ed - I misunderstood you reply - should read a little closer before I post I guess.
Can or should I gather you concur that both of our distributors (Paul's and mine) are probably original even though the dates seem so far off from the accepted norm?
If so, I guess it might or could tell us that Chevy intended the Z/28 model to be a lot more popular than it turned out to be in the first go-around and there were some left over distributors specifically built for those '67 models than languished in the parts bin until the start of the next year's production. That wouldn't be all that surprising since they never really advertised the '67 model from what I know, and only half way into the '68 year did the RPO become the actual model name and advertised as 'The Next Thing To The Corvette' from the ads I have seen.
Sometimes I wonder if parting out one of these things wouldn't be a lot more profiable than selling one intact from some of the EBay pricing I see going on - as I said crazy....    Randy
267  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Could this be the original distributor in my 1968 Z/28? on: January 22, 2007, 12:10:29 AM
Paul,

I'm not sure if it has much value since it's a 1967 (or even a 1977) date, but you never know. Heck, put it up on ebay for a buck and see if you get any nibbles.

Ed

Ed:

Seems to me that I heard on another site (Yenko one I think) where there was one of these 1111266 distributors being sold on Ebay - bid up to a crazy amount of $$'s just a month or two back - something like $2000 or more and climbing.
It was stated as being rare because it was for a '67 Z/28 model. I didn't see the final amount that it got sold for but it did make me consider at one point heading out to the garage wrenches in hand to pry mine out.... Randy
268  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Could this be the original distributor in my 1968 Z/28? on: January 22, 2007, 12:00:34 AM
Hello Everybody -

I'm a newbie and have a question regarding my 1968 Rally Sport Z/28. I recently towed the car from my parents home, where it has been stored since 1981, to mine as they are about to do some major remodeling. I decided to check the "numbers".  Two parts seem suspicious: the distributor and the water pump. The distributor is stamped 1111266 with a date code of 7A25 and the water pump is cast with the number 3838175 with a date code of D 13 7. According to the book "Chevrolet by the Numbers 1965-69" this distributor was only used in the 1967 model year and the water pump number is not even listed. My car has a build date of 02C from Los Angeles (born and been in California to date). So, the question is do I need to start looking for the correct parts or is it possible these are the factory parts? I've heard that sometimes GM would use parts they had a surplus of on the assembly line (especially in Los Angeles where they did not build as many Z/28s), or are these parts too old? Thanks in advance!

Paul 

Hi Paul:

I was just reading your post and found it quite amazing. I found the numbers you quoted from your distributor quite familiar sounding so I went hunting for my copy of the Definitive 1967-1968 Z/28 book. I had gone through my entire car (a '68 Z also) when I first got a copy of the book and recorded any and all part numbers and cast/date codes that I could find in it for future reference and information.
I always considered my distributor to be the original since most everything else on the car and especially in and around the engine particulairly, checked out according to what Jerry Mac Neish's book stated they should carry part number-wise. The reason I used 'amazing' earlier is that my distributor is also a 1111266 model and it also has the 7A25 date code on it!!
It has the #532 CCW long slot cam which the book described as being specific for Z/28's...My car is a Norwood 02D unit with most of the driveline parts either cast or date stamped in mid to late December '67 which I have been told makes it a fairly early production '68 Z/28 model as most were made a few months later. I never could find the number on the water pump and gave up looking although it may be under a few layers of paint or I'm just not looking in the right place for it.
Interesting distributor coincidence though and I makes me wonder if it is possible that such units were batch produced at some points in time for specific applications like the Z or other specific models...  Randy
269  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Kerosene washing??? on: January 20, 2007, 10:44:09 PM
Yea doesn't the price today make you sick. I recall throwing in a fiver on a Friday night (which got me a bit more than 1/2 a tank in my '70 396/375 Nova) and it lasted me most of the weekend of fooling around... Not many actual miles driven but lots of tire wear!!! - Randy
270  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Kerosene washing??? on: January 20, 2007, 01:45:44 AM
Thanks to the few of you who have responded to my post. I was hopeful this would get much more action and information for me than it did, since I know the average age here is probably high enough just by virtue of the fact that this is a first gen site!
Many here still may have original cars they bought in their early twenties or those who are reliving their youth by buying first gen Camaros again and l once resided in the Northern States or Canada I'm sure, must have had some experience with the kerosene-thing at least second hand... Maybe this whole thread wasn't Camaro enough related though I know they rusted almost a bad as Mustangs (am I allowed to use that word here?)...
I was especially hopeful that more 'paint experts' might have chimed in with their impressions or feedback about the durability or lack thereof, of base/clear paints these days verses the older types of finishes from the fifties and sixties. I'm reasonably sure that if the newer finishes can withstand the acid rain, airborne pollution, and high UV, that seems to surround us these days and to a much greater extent than 40-50 years back - then a bit of oil in the wash couldn't be that much of a daunting situation. But I will admit I know little about paint chemistry or application (wish I did).
The biggest issue I thought I would be warned about would be the tendency of any oils (and I felt it would take a substantial amount more than what I expected to hear was used kerosene washing 'back in the day') to loosen the adhesives that stick on the trim bits that abound on newer vehicles.
Anyway, Thanks to those who did respond and just the memories about kerosene in the wash does also take me back personally to a time in my late teens when life was much simplier and much more fun (high octane @ the pumps for $.30 CDN etc) and miles per gallon certainly wasn't the figure that entered anyone's mind or came up in conversation...
One thing though that IS still a constant and a certainty as well from those days past, is still (at least in this climate) our government's desire to keep the economy going by throwing ungodly amounts of road salt down at this time of year to insure we have to keep buying new vehicles much sooner than we should ever have to!   Thanks - Randy
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