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General Discussion / What's it Worth..?
« on: June 17, 2014, 04:40:29 AM »
Got a few guys bugging me about selling my '68 Z 2/8 and I honestly don't really have any clue what I would throw out for a price if one of them actually gets serious, but since I've come somewhat reluctantly to the realization that it sits stored 10 months of the year and I seem to get less and less time each passing year to enjoying driving and playing with it, I am entertaining the idea of my life minus it for the first time in 23 years..

Its a real Z'ed with GM Canada Vintage Service documentation - 64,000 original miles - no other paperwork unfortunately.
Repainted in 1980 - BC/CC red with black stripes and still reasonable - but originally PP (Seafrost Green) w/ black stripes.
Original S. Ontario dealer-sold car and I have traced back all of the previous 8 owners except the first who was rumoured to be an NHL player who played in the US and traded the car back into the original dealer after 1 hockey season.
Original (born with) engine and M21 trans. Rear appears to have replaced with an almost perfect date code 12 bolt - but axle tube stamp indicates it should be out of a '68 Nova?..  2nd owner who was both 2nd and 4th! told me he raced the car so maybe the rear let go at some point by 1972 1973?
Body is very nice and straight with only rear quarters being replaced (G M OEM full panels apparently by the 6th owner in 1980 when repainted red) due to anal tendencies for some apparently very minor wheelwell corrosion.
Very few options - standard black interior in very nice condition with only carpets and dash pad (old one I still have) not 'born with'.
OEM radio gone and 2 aftermarket rear speakers are only mods internally.
I have a cowl hood on it but still have original flat hood.
The hidden VIN stamps are there and match.
Presently the 302 shortblock sits on a stand in my basement for lack of affordable gas and in it's place is a 350 4 bolt with the original bits like heads intake etc. on it - the 302 was rebuilt with race quality bearings, Mains were studded and both they and rods have ARP fasteners and had all had clearances massaged to be perfect - it has .030 over TRW L2210AF pistons and the crank is polished and uncut. I don't have the original 4053 carb. 
Front and rear Spoilers were on the car from the 1980 repaint and are not original to the car.
The car was an early build model with most of the date coding in late Dec '67 and thus has some engine parts that are leftover '67 Z'ed bits like the 266 distributor.
Old pictures I saw and previous owners stated that it had the 302 front fender emblems and not the Z 2/8 ones now in place.
Underside of car is very solid but typical of a Canadian car has some crustiness and things like crossmember, controls arms, and rear, have some pitting as would be expected.
Everything like buzzers, wipers, lights etc. all work as new..
The only thing I haven't gotten around to - as it barely sees 200 miles a Summer at best - to shows and cruise nights - is the rear end is leaking somewhat at the pinion seal and it has a slight vibration telling me the pinion bearings and seal need replacement - but otherwise is very quiet.
Brakes are original including rotors, drums, master cylinder, and calipers (with seals and 'O' ring etc.) and all work amazing.
Front and rear bumpers could use new chrome but are somewhat passable - rest of SS and aluminum trim bits are in very good condition.
Glass is original with the exception of the Windshield which now is tinted.
Still has T3's, original marker light and rear lenses etc.

Lots more... and I could go on forever - but if a few of you who are market-savy would care to pass along some rough numbers to give me some starting point when and if I get up the courage when needed, it would be very much appreciated - Randy

PS - I know what the first response will be.. and I've never had any success posting pictures up here so I long ago gave up trying..

Thanks Again..   

Maintenance / Front Brake Hoses..
« on: July 31, 2013, 01:44:38 AM »
Can anyone recommend part numbers I could use to try and order some replacement front brake hoses for my '68 Z2/8?
Most Wagner-type listings I have referenced don't pull up appropriate part numbers for vehicles that old.
My pedal suddenly got very soft when I was getting home from storage back in early May.. (I'm almost ashamed to admit that it hasn't moved since) and the level in the master seems reasonable when I checked it in passing, last week - and I'm wondering if I have a hose or two getting soft as they were new back in the mid '90's and may be the problem now..
The front calipers aren't leaking at all and although I haven't pulled the back wheels off to check there is no leakage anywhere that I can see on the inside of them or the drums, so I'm thinking it most likely a hose expanding and giving me that soft feel.
I'm open to any other suggestions - since I plan on trying to figure this out next week, so I can try and get at least some usage out of the car before I have to put it back into Winter storage again..
Thanks - Randy

General Discussion / Shifter Boot...
« on: August 31, 2012, 02:59:38 AM »
I presently have a rubber shifter boot on my '68 Z/28 which always seemed kinda small or tight for the throws of the shifter handle. I now notice it is getting ripped where the handle protrudes through, from the pressure of the handle and appears it isn't the correct design for the job.
I have noticed a few other non-console Z/28's like mine pictured lately that seem to have boots which appear taller with at least one or more folds - allowing I assume, more back and forth movement, without tearing like mine has.
Can anyone recommend where I can one that best mimics an original in appearance yet maintains a reasonable price? The one I have was purchased many years back from a noted supplier (which I can't recall now) and was supposed to be "OEM replacement style" but obviously isn't proper.
Thanks for any help...


Mild Modifications / Speedometer gearing...
« on: August 25, 2012, 04:26:10 PM »
Not Camaro related - but GM nontheless...
A friend has a beautiful 57 Corvette with a ZZ3 crate engine in front of a GM Saginaw (3351325 casing) 4 speed and has an inaccurate speedometer. It reads out 70mph at an actual 60pmh GPS verified speed. The speed read out discrepancy continues at all speeds apparently as well - 30mph reading 40, 50 reading 60 etc..
Anyone have an idea as to how to rectify the problem?
He pulled out the gear at the tranny end of the speedo cable and tells me it is white with 19 teeth.
The car has a rear axle ratio of 3:70 or so according to him, and now has tires that are 205/70/15 in size..
I know all kinds of gears are available to correct similar problems - is this what he needs, are they still available from GM or somewhere else readily, and if so does anyone have any idea of what part number and colour of gear he should be looking for to correct such a problem?
Any assistance or advice is very much appreciated!
 Thanks in advance  - Randy 

General Discussion / What its Worth????
« on: May 12, 2012, 07:06:50 PM »
I have a good friend who has owned a very unique '65 Chevelle SS convertable since the mid eighties..
 He has finally decided after never really using the car much over all that time and plans to restore it never panning out - to try and find out what the market might be for it.
 I know I'll get "this is a Camaro site" - but please have some patience with me here as I try to determine how best for him to get some solid estimates as to what he could possibly be expecting for his:

   1965 Chevelle Super Sport Convertable with approx, 45,000 miles.. (I believe he is the 2nd owner)
   Western Canadian Car with solid GM Vintage Services documentation..
   Extremely solid sheet metal outside, inside, and under..
   Faded Regal Red paint with a few minor door dings and scratches and wear/White power top/Good original red bucket interior w/console
   and Seat Belts..
   Small block / Powerglide drivetrain / PS & PB / Power Top & Power Tinted Windows etc..
   Originally a GM Canada Show and Display Car in 1964-1965 as per documentation..
   3rd Chevelle (VIN #0003) - with August 21,1964  build date..
   1st of 369 Super Sport models produced in for 1965 year in Canada...
   1st 1965 Chevelle Convertable produced in Canada..

 I'm sure we will be advised to post same on Chevelle related sites and intend to - so if anyone wants to do so please accompany any such advice with suggestions as to which ones would be the best in their opinion as I am a Camaro owner and don't have much knowledge of good Chevelle-related sites that might be somewhat comparable to the CRG..

Thanks, and I appreciate anyone taking the time to respond...


Originality / Z 2/8 Bypass Fitting...
« on: February 05, 2011, 08:13:34 PM »
   Can anyone give me the dimensions of a '68 variety water pump bypass fitting (elbow) that resides on top of the water pump. My car doesn't have one and probably had or should have been fitted with one originally.
I have a friend in the hydraulic fitting business who says he probably can source something real close after I showed him pictures of what one looks like - if I can provide him with some dimensions.
   I need NPT thread dimension into top of the water pump, the nipple dimension going out of the fitting to the rubber hose, and the NPT thread and nipple dimensions at the manifold side..
   If he can come up with something that is close I will order a hose and clamps so it appears semi-original and works for whatever reason it is there.
   By the way what was the real and/or intended purpose of the whole arrangement and did it work effectively?
Most other sbc cars didn't have such a deal and I wonder if it was in place because of the rpm range Z 2/8's were possible of and maybe the water pump cavitated due to the revs and the fitting and hose alleviated the problem somehow...

Any info is very much appreciated - Thanks, Randy

General Discussion / '68 Z Pitman Arms...
« on: June 12, 2010, 01:20:40 PM »
For a '68 Z 2/8 are there any reasonably inexpensive sources of pitman arms (standard ratio - manual steering) available these days?
In the past the only ones I have seen were crazy price-wise and up into the $200 range and there always seems to be some debate as to whether the ones advertised were correct for a standard ratio steering set up and not the fast ratio variant.
Even an old Moog catalog I have shows an application and part number for what they state is  Z 2/8 model specific, but I highly doubt it is correct since I thought they were very rare and hard to find. I have the feeling that ordering one from Moog (and it would have to be ordered as well as prepaid around here) would probably end up disclosing either a cataloging or application number error and I would just end up with a generic Camaro part in the end...
Additionally, can anyone tell me what the actual length should be for the Z  2/8 specific standard ratio variety version and whether aftermarket ones (if available) come with any stamped or cast in identifiers to make sure one gets the correct version?
Thanks for any help here - Randy

General Discussion / Oil Filters...
« on: August 06, 2009, 10:33:36 PM »
Been hashing around again what type of oil filter to use when I do the 'annual' oil change on my 302 (doesn't get much use as you might gather) and was wondering what the preferred type of filter(s) were to use from the contributors on this forum, without starting a poll.
I presently have a shorter AC Delco PF-25c variety in the garage sitting beside a Wix 51060 considerably taller version which would normally be my choice just for sheer volume capability over the AC unit, but...
  I have heard to stay away from Fram and some other name brands, but yet I also hear that there are very few actual makers of these filters and most are the same - just rebranded to appeal to those who prefer one name over another (or a colour or logo for somewhat original appearance).
Wix seems to come fairly highly reccomended across Internet site users as one of the better brands as along as you don't use their race-type variety filters for street use as they are more for high volume filtration verses longer life of the media inside that a street engine would need.
AC Delco is a name I trust obviously and probably should - but after reading a lot of conflicting info on-line is there any practical logic in saying that verses other brands on the market?
All opinions gratefully taken in my quest to learn more on the filteration subject - Thanks - Randy

General Discussion / Fuel line length...
« on: June 15, 2009, 12:02:52 PM »

Hi guys..
  I was wondering if anyone knew what the length, id, and fitting size is of the steel fuel line that goes from the actual pump to Y block fitting at the carb on a '68 Z? I never had one on my car and made one up from fuel injector rubber hose (so I could put a filter inline on the way up the front of the block) and it worked well but I always knew it wasn't the safest or most decorative way to do it, to say the least!
  Since lately I have had trouble with the line leaking where it goes into one side of my double pumper I decided to order a new splitter line from Holley and got one with a 5/8-18 flared fitting where the line from the fuel pump connects up to it. I can see from many of the pictures of original cars the general configuration of the steel factory line that I want to mimic from the Y block area down to the pump, but since I don't have a flaring tool or fittings available to me would like to buy a preflared line to bend to do the job. Thus the request for a rough length measurement, diameter, and flare size dimensions of an original.
  Also I asssume the originals were steel, but would there be a downside to using other materials in creating my clone line?
Thanks for any and all replies - Randy

Decoding/Numbers / Block Casting and Stamping #'s...
« on: March 02, 2009, 07:00:49 PM »

  Could any of the experts 'on board' please take a look at these cast and stamped block numbers and give me their impressions and commets regarding their impressions of the validity of what they see and possibly what car build date would roughly coincide with what they see with these...
  Thanks - Randy

General Discussion / 1968 '302' fender badges...
« on: February 22, 2009, 09:23:09 PM »

  Hi.. My '68 Z had the Z 2/8 style front fender badges on it when I got it more than 20 years ago. It is a 02D car and almost in the correct timeframe for them but I know it came with the '302' style makers new, since I have a picture of it 'back in the day' with those on it. I can fully understand why many would switch them as I too prefer the Z 2/8 style over just numbers since there was little else in the first couple of model years aside from the stripes (not easily seen from a side profile) to identify that model from others. As well the 302 an 307 marks could be easily missed from any distance obviously.
   I am considering changing mine out for the original style if I don't have to deal with drilling new holes in the fenders or having holes from the present Z 2/8 style ones show under any 302 badges. (it would be nice to be able to switch back and forth occasionally depending on the situation for shows or cruising etc)...
  Question - does the 302 style badging have pins on the back that line up or interchange with that of the Z 2/8 style ones if I decided to swap them?
   Couldn't find any info in the AIM regarding this, although Z 2/8 specific info in there is very scarce and hard to find at the best of times... Thanks - Randy


Originality / Speedo cable length...
« on: October 25, 2008, 04:54:59 PM »
   I would like to order a new speedo cable for my '68 Z28 with an M21. Can anyone tell me what length I should be looking for? I'm not crazy about ripping out the old one just to measure it since it appeared always too short and had such a tight bend where it went on to the casing that it finally gave out at that point.
   Does the proper version have a right angle fitting on the tranny end to prevent this or does the proper length of cable just solve this problem? Also are there reasons why (assuming they sell the correct length of one I need) the ones that Ricks or other such places sell would not fit or work properly for me due to different transmissions versions M21/22, Saginaw, or even THM used on Camaros or do they all basically use cables with the same fittings and threads and just varied lengths?
   None of the cables I have seen advertised seem to be usage specific, other than the length so I am assuming the answer to that is no... but any info and help is appreciated - Thanks - Randy

General Discussion / Legal Action...
« on: October 21, 2008, 02:43:59 AM »
   What happened to the classicgary thread - did CRG get threatened with legal action as well and have to close the thread down?
   I was just in the process of posting a response that tongue in cheek suggested that might be the next thing to happen when the obviously new heavyweight 'members' with no posting history landed here today to heap scorn on classicgary and spread their threats around regarding legal action and cover up the BJ auction deal.
   Guess I was right on the mark - just not quick enough - no?
   Its too bad when people with enough clout (and or $$$'s) can quash the truth in the world just by using bullying tactics to enable them to cover up such piles of crap and I'm disappointed in the CRG for allowing that to obviously happen here.
    It is my hope that the buyer of the car in question sues the arses off all of those involved with the exception of classicgary who apparently admitted long ago, so he says, to his role in the creation of the car recently sold.
   The whole auction scene and especially the stench eminating from BJ is tarnishing the whole collector car hobby - but then that is usually what happens when gangsters and big money get involved in anything... IMHO

                                                                  Randy (you may want to ban me before I can get sued as well)

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