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General Discussion / Re: 1969 Los Angeles Production Numbers
« on: October 05, 2006, 01:46:01 AM »
Mine is VIN #124379L505424.
Does yours have a short spoiler in the rear?
Does yours have a short spoiler in the rear?
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Originality / Re: 1969 z/28 full floating connecting rods - Fact or Fiction
« on: August 09, 2006, 02:44:59 PM »
While I continue my research into this matter I would like those of you who have 1969 z/28's and who have pulled their
engines out and who also have found that the bottom of the connecting rods had the cast letter 'O' and who also
have found that the connecting rods had pressed pins to post to this thread and say so.
engines out and who also have found that the bottom of the connecting rods had the cast letter 'O' and who also
have found that the connecting rods had pressed pins to post to this thread and say so.
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Originality / Re: 1969 z/28 full floating connecting rods - Fact or Fiction
« on: August 09, 2006, 05:38:32 AM »
Thank you for your response.
If you have the opportunity could you please post the part numbers for the standard size piston as well as the oversize pistons.
I would like to cross reference those numbers. As I said before. I prefer to believe that the 69 z came with full floating
pins during factory production.
Thanks again. Please post those numbers as soon as possible.
If you have the opportunity could you please post the part numbers for the standard size piston as well as the oversize pistons.
I would like to cross reference those numbers. As I said before. I prefer to believe that the 69 z came with full floating
pins during factory production.
Thanks again. Please post those numbers as soon as possible.
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Originality / Re: 1969 z/28 full floating connecting rods - Fact or Fiction
« on: August 03, 2006, 07:49:34 PM »
Thank you for your comments Classicgary. That is the correct part number for
a 1968 302 (unsure if it's late or early), not a 1969 302.
If you find an original parts book that has not gone through a revision. You should check that
out. In the meantime I am trying contact some of the companies or individuals who were
involved in the trans-am circuit racing during the late 1960's.
a 1968 302 (unsure if it's late or early), not a 1969 302.
If you find an original parts book that has not gone through a revision. You should check that
out. In the meantime I am trying contact some of the companies or individuals who were
involved in the trans-am circuit racing during the late 1960's.
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Originality / Re: 1969 z/28 full floating connecting rods - Fact or Fiction
« on: August 02, 2006, 02:43:35 PM »
Yes, thank you. I had plans to contact him as well as the gentleman who wrote the chevrolet by the numbers book.
I will also be contacting some additional well known machine shops as well as those people who were racing
in the trans am circuit during the day.
I will also be contacting some additional well known machine shops as well as those people who were racing
in the trans am circuit during the day.
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Originality / Re: 1969 z/28 full floating connecting rods - Fact or Fiction
« on: August 02, 2006, 12:50:55 AM »
I appreciate your comments. I looked at the picture of the piston in the MacNeish book. It only shows the top of
the piston and of course his comments that these pistons had full floating pins.
Pistons (I'm not saying all) come with the ability to have piston pin retainers for full floating pins or use no retainers to
have pressed pins.
I'm just looking for more hard facts. The Chevrolet parts books dont even list retainers for the 69 302. As I said before
there is a listing for the 68 302 (unsure if it early or late model year).
Being an enthusiats you surely must know someone that is a technician or works for a machine shop. Ask them what
they have found, call up your local Chevrolet dealer and tell them you want to purchase some piston pin retainers
for your 69 z/28. They can either tell you there is no such listing, (which may mean they were never made) or they
may tell you that it's no longer available (which may mean that it has been produced at one time as a service part
but is now discontinued).
As I said before I really want to believe they cam with full floating pins, I just need some more facts.
If you know of any one that I can call or contact please respond. And I will call them or email them.
The answer for my questions will continue until I get more concrete evidence either way.
the piston and of course his comments that these pistons had full floating pins.
Pistons (I'm not saying all) come with the ability to have piston pin retainers for full floating pins or use no retainers to
have pressed pins.
I'm just looking for more hard facts. The Chevrolet parts books dont even list retainers for the 69 302. As I said before
there is a listing for the 68 302 (unsure if it early or late model year).
Being an enthusiats you surely must know someone that is a technician or works for a machine shop. Ask them what
they have found, call up your local Chevrolet dealer and tell them you want to purchase some piston pin retainers
for your 69 z/28. They can either tell you there is no such listing, (which may mean they were never made) or they
may tell you that it's no longer available (which may mean that it has been produced at one time as a service part
but is now discontinued).
As I said before I really want to believe they cam with full floating pins, I just need some more facts.
If you know of any one that I can call or contact please respond. And I will call them or email them.
The answer for my questions will continue until I get more concrete evidence either way.
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Originality / Re: 1969 z/28 full floating connecting rods - Fact or Fiction
« on: August 01, 2006, 02:42:50 PM »
Yes, if you look at an early parts book it will list pin retainers for the 68 302, no idea if it's late or early.
But, no listing for the 69 302.
I will do some additional research and post the results.
But, no listing for the 69 302.
I will do some additional research and post the results.
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Originality / Re: 1969 z/28 full floating connecting rods - Fact or Fiction
« on: August 01, 2006, 04:26:24 AM »
I believe you Jimmy V - 69 Z. But, I would believe you more if you were the original owner and had
torn the engine apart and discovered that the pins were floating. I really want to believe that
chevrolet produced the 69 z/28 302 with floating pins. But, my research is showing quite the opposite.
I contacted the person who rebuilt the engine from Dean Guccione's own 1969 z/28. His web site is
Camaros unlimited "www.69camaro.20m.com". The rebuilder Rick from RICK'S CREATIVE RESTORATIONS even
says that he has never seen full floating pins from the factory. Heres his phone number call him
yourself and ask 1-310-670-9575.
It would not be beyond chevrolet to say and print that these engines would have full floating pins. But,
then during production change it.
Dont believe what you always read. I say go call some reptuable machine shops that have individuals
who have been in the business since the late 1960's. And ask them yourself. Ask them if they have
ever rebuilt a factory 302 for a fact and then found that it had full floating piston pins.
If you find someone give me the number so that I can talk to them as well.
Honest, I really want to believe that full floating pins were used in production. But, I tell you. I cant
find the supporting facts from chevrolet parts managers, chevrolet technicians and reptuable
machine shops.
Help me if you can. I just want the facts.
torn the engine apart and discovered that the pins were floating. I really want to believe that
chevrolet produced the 69 z/28 302 with floating pins. But, my research is showing quite the opposite.
I contacted the person who rebuilt the engine from Dean Guccione's own 1969 z/28. His web site is
Camaros unlimited "www.69camaro.20m.com". The rebuilder Rick from RICK'S CREATIVE RESTORATIONS even
says that he has never seen full floating pins from the factory. Heres his phone number call him
yourself and ask 1-310-670-9575.
It would not be beyond chevrolet to say and print that these engines would have full floating pins. But,
then during production change it.
Dont believe what you always read. I say go call some reptuable machine shops that have individuals
who have been in the business since the late 1960's. And ask them yourself. Ask them if they have
ever rebuilt a factory 302 for a fact and then found that it had full floating piston pins.
If you find someone give me the number so that I can talk to them as well.
Honest, I really want to believe that full floating pins were used in production. But, I tell you. I cant
find the supporting facts from chevrolet parts managers, chevrolet technicians and reptuable
machine shops.
Help me if you can. I just want the facts.
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Originality / Re: 1969 z/28 full floating connecting rods - Fact or Fiction
« on: July 29, 2006, 12:51:49 AM »
You say that both of yours had floating pins. I believe you.
Were you also the original owner of both vehicles and personally dissassembled the engine where you then
found that the connecting rods were floating pins?
Were you also the original owner of both vehicles and personally dissassembled the engine where you then
found that the connecting rods were floating pins?
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Originality / 1969 z/28 full floating connecting rods - Fact or Fiction
« on: July 28, 2006, 08:33:51 PM »
After dissassembling my engine in my 69 z. I found that the connecting rods had the pressed 'O' on the rod cap. But to my
surprise they had pressed in pins. I began a quest to find out if 69 z/28's came from the factory with full floating or pressed in
pins. Since I currently work at a GM dealership, I asked the senior techs have they ever seen from the factory full floating pins
in the 69 z/28 or any other performance small block. Their response was no. An interesting response. So, I then called up to
six different machine shops and ask to speak to technicians who had been in the business since the late 1960's. I posed the
question to them as well. To my surprise every single one of them stated that from the factory they had never seen full floating
connecting rod pins in the 69 z/28 302 engine. So, I wonder if Chevrolet had originally intended for the 69 302 to come with
full floating pins but at the last minute changed their minds to save money. I also had any opportunity to look at a parts book
and I did see a listing for piston pin retainers for the 68 302, no idea if it's late or early.
So, that's my question did the 69 z/28 come with full floating pins from the FACTORY. If my research is correct they came
with pressed in pins.
Call your own local machine shop and ask for yourself. Is it fact or fiction?
surprise they had pressed in pins. I began a quest to find out if 69 z/28's came from the factory with full floating or pressed in
pins. Since I currently work at a GM dealership, I asked the senior techs have they ever seen from the factory full floating pins
in the 69 z/28 or any other performance small block. Their response was no. An interesting response. So, I then called up to
six different machine shops and ask to speak to technicians who had been in the business since the late 1960's. I posed the
question to them as well. To my surprise every single one of them stated that from the factory they had never seen full floating
connecting rod pins in the 69 z/28 302 engine. So, I wonder if Chevrolet had originally intended for the 69 302 to come with
full floating pins but at the last minute changed their minds to save money. I also had any opportunity to look at a parts book
and I did see a listing for piston pin retainers for the 68 302, no idea if it's late or early.
So, that's my question did the 69 z/28 come with full floating pins from the FACTORY. If my research is correct they came
with pressed in pins.
Call your own local machine shop and ask for yourself. Is it fact or fiction?
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Originality / Re: 1969 z/28 driveshaft
« on: July 19, 2006, 04:19:35 AM »
my drive shaft may be original. It has two yellow stripes towards the center of the shaft. How can I
identify if the yoke is offset. What do I look for?
identify if the yoke is offset. What do I look for?
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Originality / 1969 z/28 driveshaft
« on: July 15, 2006, 01:33:26 AM »
How can you ID the driveshaft on a 1969 z/28. Is the diameter different? Is the lenght different? Are
their any identifying marks or paint dabs on it to ID it?
Thanks
their any identifying marks or paint dabs on it to ID it?
Thanks
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Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1969 z/28 clutch pressure plate
« on: June 19, 2006, 03:12:13 AM »
The clutch disc itself has GM stamped on the rivet heads. But, I cannot find any identifying
numbers on the clutch pressure plate. It would be nice to know where GM stamped
or cast the numbers on the pressure plate.
Thank you
numbers on the clutch pressure plate. It would be nice to know where GM stamped
or cast the numbers on the pressure plate.
Thank you
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Decoding/Numbers / 1969 z/28 clutch pressure plate
« on: June 18, 2006, 02:06:15 AM »
Where can I find the casting number or part number or build date on the clutch pressure plate.
Are there any numbers to be found on the clutch disc.
Thanks
Are there any numbers to be found on the clutch disc.
Thanks
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Restoration / Re: 1969 z/28 connecting rods
« on: May 29, 2006, 11:34:59 PM »
Thank you. Thanks exactly the information that I'm looking for. When I press out the pins I will measure the openings. Then
I will draw my conclusions as what to do for my restoration. How is the lubrication to the floating pins accomplished. Are they
under oil pressure or just simply splash lubrication.
I will draw my conclusions as what to do for my restoration. How is the lubrication to the floating pins accomplished. Are they
under oil pressure or just simply splash lubrication.