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2116  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Pulley's on: August 26, 2006, 01:18:22 PM
Check out the 1968 CAMARO CRG PULLEY REPORT. This should give you all the info you need to start scouring the countryside.

Ed
2117  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Research Topics & Reports / Re: 68 RS center grille on: August 26, 2006, 10:57:39 AM
Steve,

John can probably answer this better than I, but in my experience, GM's policy was (and has always been) as long as they had a suitable replacement that fit, that was good enough. I also believe that it was GM's policy to have "suitable replacements" available for around 10 years after the car had left production, but again, John can answer this better than I. Finally, it also depended on how many of a particular part they still had in stock.

As an example, the 67 Left Hand Door (3898135) was discontinued before 1971 so they probably didn't have a lot of these left in stock, and siince the 68 doors were a sutiable replacement, no need to manufacture more. (The 68 Left and Right Hand Doors - 3919063 and 3919064 - were still around after 1980.)

And something that a lot of people dont' realize is that they always kept "Left Hand" parts in stock longer than "Right Hand" parts because most accidents to automobiles occure to the left side of the car.

As for the 68 Grille, the entire 68 Grille Assembly (3929281) was still available into the late 70's (dscontinued in November, 1979), but again, I have no idea if that one was the chrome one or just the correct style but black. The 67 Grille Assembly (3905745) didn't even make it to 1971.

Ed
2118  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Research Topics & Reports / Re: 68 RS center grille on: August 25, 2006, 09:29:33 PM
Steve,

Okay, now I see... Rich stated that even though the part number was apparently the same (3919060), it's a GM Service Replacement part (correct 68 grille styling, but no chrome). So it does appear that the 3919060 was changed to a replacement part at the end of the 1968 model year. That's why the 9/68 P&A shows 1967 and 1968 as both using the 3919060. Boy, they didn't waste any time in getting rid of that chrome did they!!!

And no, the P&A 26 doesn't show any kind of description. It shows Part Number, Group Number, Model where used (Chevrolet, Pontiac, Oldsmobile, etc...), Warehouse Code (where you could order it from) and the 3 layers of pricing:

"Suggested list" - what we as a walk-in customer could buy it at, and of course, the most expensive
"Suggested Trade" - what Resellers could buy it for, or, if you had a buddy in the parts department, what you could get it at if he liked you - middle of the road pricing
"Dealer Trade" - What dealers sold to each other for - the least expenive.

These are really cool books if you like to cry over how much (or little) things cost back then! For example, in the 1971 P&A 26, the price for the 3919060 is $10.75 (List) or $6.45 (reseller and dealer)!

Ed
2119  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Research Topics & Reports / Re: 68 RS center grille on: August 24, 2006, 10:54:46 PM
Steve,

The 3919060 is the part number for the 68 (chrome) center section so I'm not sure why Rich would state that it was a "black only". It would make more sense that GM would discontinue the 68 center section and just use the 67 on both years (as it was a LOT less expensive to produce), but the parts book doesn't show that. It shows just the opposite. The 1971 price schedule I have shows the 3919060 still available, as does the 1976 schedule and the 1980 schedule. I'm assuming (and maybe incorrectly) that this part number continued to have the chrome applied, but perhaps at some point GM discontinued the chrome and just went with all black. Does anyone out there have an NOS 3919060 that they purchased in the 80's? We need to know what it looks like.

Ed
2120  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Caps for 69 (68?) RS windshield washer bracket on: August 23, 2006, 10:52:24 PM
The original Part Number of 3866096, that was in the ebay auction, is in my P&A 34 as:

Group 10.154

67 Chevelle - CAP, washer jar (protective)

And you needed 2 of them...

Ed
2121  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Research Topics & Reports / Re: 68 RS center grille on: August 23, 2006, 10:09:10 PM
Steve,

Probably just a typo because on the next page, the 69 (left and right) Outer Covers are shown as the correct P/N's, 3949599 and 3949600.

But another interesting item... I just picked up a September, 1968 X691A "Corvair and Camaro Preliminary Parts Catalog" for Canada (which is the exact same publish date as the P&A 34) that lists the "new" part numbers for the 1969 Corvair and Camaro. It shows Group 2.770 "Cover, Headlamp Retracting" as P/N's 3958004 and 3958003 for the 69 Outer Covers! Same publish date, different part numbers!! Just goes to show you how one hand wasn't paying attention to the other!!

OR... Did the Canadian 69 RS Camaro's come with different covers than US cars??? I can see something like that happening since their laws were different than the US. Maybe they didn't require the slots? JOHN?Huh

Ed
2122  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Research Topics & Reports / Re: 68 RS center grille on: August 23, 2006, 09:21:19 PM
Steve,

Yes, the Left Hand covers are still separate part numbers (3898135 and 3919063), but what's really interesting, it shows the Right Hand cover (3919064) as being used on 67-69!! Boy, someone sure screwed up!!

Ed
2123  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Research Topics & Reports / Re: 68 RS center grille on: August 23, 2006, 09:01:24 PM
Steve,

No problem...

The P&A shows the following:

Group 1.266

67-68 Camaro w/R.S. - center - 3919060

HOWEVER!!! It also shows the following:

(Same Group)

67 Camaro w/R.S. - Grille Assy, rad. - 3905745
68 Camaro w/R.S. - Grille Assy, rad. - 3929281

Since the upper and lower parts were the same for both years, the only difference would have been the center section, hence the part number difference between the 67 and 68 "Grille Assy". Just WHY they list the center section as being the same is probably because by the time my P&A was published (September, 1968), the 67 center section had been discontinued and they just used the 68 center section as a replacement. That happened a lot back then, so that's my theory.

EDIT: I just did a little more digging and sure enough, my 1971 P&A 26 (Dealer Parts and Accessories Price Schedule) DOESN'T list the 67 center section (3921841). It DOES list the 68 center section (3919060) so my above theory looks good.

Ed
2124  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 5000 vs 6000 redline tachs on: August 23, 2006, 08:51:12 PM
Mark,

Yes, read footnote number 5 from the 1968 VISUAL ID GUIDE here on this site. Although no mention of the L78 (and I really can't see the factory installing a 5k in an L78), the 5k tach has been seen on the L35. But, you never know. Stranger things have been seen over the years...

Ed
2125  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1968 D88 stripe ? on: August 15, 2006, 09:36:02 PM
Steve,

I don't believe the D88 "Multi-Color Nose Strips" option was ever actually released for production. Although it's in the AIM, the time required to introduce the stripe into production, and the almost instantanious time frame to which it was cancelled, would have negated the option entirely. This time frame (per the AIM) is as follows:

Introduced on December 27th, 1967
Redrawn on February 1st, 1968 (34 days after the introduction)
Cancelled on February 28th, 1968 (27 days after the revision)

In my opinion, this was not enough time to place into production.

However, I could be wrong (and have been before), so I'll let one of the CRG guys confirm (or deny) my theory!!

Ed
2126  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 4 or 5 leaf spring? on: August 15, 2006, 09:15:17 PM
Mark,

68 and 69 came with 4 or 5 depending on options. you can read more about this at the ASK CRG PAGE (scroll down to number 121...)

Ed
2127  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Tic toc tach w/gauges on: August 13, 2006, 12:38:34 PM
Thanks Kurt. I've always been a little light on 69's so I appreciate the info. Was that available throughout the year?

Ed
2128  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1968 Camaro emblems question (Rally Sport) on: August 07, 2006, 11:17:32 PM
Don,

all lower case

Ed
2129  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Door Lock Knobs on: August 07, 2006, 09:40:59 PM
Murph,

I re-read your ORIGINAL POST on the Team Camaro site, and it really didn't give you a definitive answer to your question, so I can see why you're still confused.

For 68, the Door Lock Knobs matched the interior color of the car and are the same part numbers as the Astro Vent Pulls. For 68, the part numbers and colors (from the P&A 34, Group 10.559 or Group 9.262) are:

7799353 - Black
7759029 - Red
7759030 - Turquoise
7759036 - Blue
7759037 - Teal
7759038 - Saddle
7759039 - Gold
7759040 - Parchment
7759041 - Gray
7799354 - White

Note that the above knobs were also used on other models as well. The only one that was a "Camaro only" is the white!

Most people have replaced these over the years just because of the problem you're experiencing, "rub through". Although most repop houses only carry the chrome plastic ones, D&R CLASSIC has a couple of the colors available. Do a search on "Lock Knob" and you'll get a few hits.

Ed
2130  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Tic toc tach w/gauges on: August 06, 2006, 06:50:11 PM
That's okay. But again, no tach without the other gauges (and the console), so it's either been "added", or the console and gauges "removed".

Ed
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