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Research Topics & Reports / Re: 68 RS center grille
« on: August 25, 2006, 03:54:46 AM »
Steve,

The 3919060 is the part number for the 68 (chrome) center section so I'm not sure why Rich would state that it was a "black only". It would make more sense that GM would discontinue the 68 center section and just use the 67 on both years (as it was a LOT less expensive to produce), but the parts book doesn't show that. It shows just the opposite. The 1971 price schedule I have shows the 3919060 still available, as does the 1976 schedule and the 1980 schedule. I'm assuming (and maybe incorrectly) that this part number continued to have the chrome applied, but perhaps at some point GM discontinued the chrome and just went with all black. Does anyone out there have an NOS 3919060 that they purchased in the 80's? We need to know what it looks like.

Ed

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Originality / Re: Caps for 69 (68?) RS windshield washer bracket
« on: August 24, 2006, 03:52:24 AM »
The original Part Number of 3866096, that was in the ebay auction, is in my P&A 34 as:

Group 10.154

67 Chevelle - CAP, washer jar (protective)

And you needed 2 of them...

Ed

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Research Topics & Reports / Re: 68 RS center grille
« on: August 24, 2006, 03:09:10 AM »
Steve,

Probably just a typo because on the next page, the 69 (left and right) Outer Covers are shown as the correct P/N's, 3949599 and 3949600.

But another interesting item... I just picked up a September, 1968 X691A "Corvair and Camaro Preliminary Parts Catalog" for Canada (which is the exact same publish date as the P&A 34) that lists the "new" part numbers for the 1969 Corvair and Camaro. It shows Group 2.770 "Cover, Headlamp Retracting" as P/N's 3958004 and 3958003 for the 69 Outer Covers! Same publish date, different part numbers!! Just goes to show you how one hand wasn't paying attention to the other!!

OR... Did the Canadian 69 RS Camaro's come with different covers than US cars??? I can see something like that happening since their laws were different than the US. Maybe they didn't require the slots? JOHN????

Ed

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Research Topics & Reports / Re: 68 RS center grille
« on: August 24, 2006, 02:21:19 AM »
Steve,

Yes, the Left Hand covers are still separate part numbers (3898135 and 3919063), but what's really interesting, it shows the Right Hand cover (3919064) as being used on 67-69!! Boy, someone sure screwed up!!

Ed

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Research Topics & Reports / Re: 68 RS center grille
« on: August 24, 2006, 02:01:24 AM »
Steve,

No problem...

The P&A shows the following:

Group 1.266

67-68 Camaro w/R.S. - center - 3919060

HOWEVER!!! It also shows the following:

(Same Group)

67 Camaro w/R.S. - Grille Assy, rad. - 3905745
68 Camaro w/R.S. - Grille Assy, rad. - 3929281

Since the upper and lower parts were the same for both years, the only difference would have been the center section, hence the part number difference between the 67 and 68 "Grille Assy". Just WHY they list the center section as being the same is probably because by the time my P&A was published (September, 1968), the 67 center section had been discontinued and they just used the 68 center section as a replacement. That happened a lot back then, so that's my theory.

EDIT: I just did a little more digging and sure enough, my 1971 P&A 26 (Dealer Parts and Accessories Price Schedule) DOESN'T list the 67 center section (3921841). It DOES list the 68 center section (3919060) so my above theory looks good.

Ed

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Originality / Re: 5000 vs 6000 redline tachs
« on: August 24, 2006, 01:51:12 AM »
Mark,

Yes, read footnote number 5 from the 1968 VISUAL ID GUIDE here on this site. Although no mention of the L78 (and I really can't see the factory installing a 5k in an L78), the 5k tach has been seen on the L35. But, you never know. Stranger things have been seen over the years...

Ed

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Originality / Re: 1968 D88 stripe ?
« on: August 16, 2006, 02:36:02 AM »
Steve,

I don't believe the D88 "Multi-Color Nose Strips" option was ever actually released for production. Although it's in the AIM, the time required to introduce the stripe into production, and the almost instantanious time frame to which it was cancelled, would have negated the option entirely. This time frame (per the AIM) is as follows:

Introduced on December 27th, 1967
Redrawn on February 1st, 1968 (34 days after the introduction)
Cancelled on February 28th, 1968 (27 days after the revision)

In my opinion, this was not enough time to place into production.

However, I could be wrong (and have been before), so I'll let one of the CRG guys confirm (or deny) my theory!!

Ed

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Originality / Re: 4 or 5 leaf spring?
« on: August 16, 2006, 02:15:17 AM »
Mark,

68 and 69 came with 4 or 5 depending on options. you can read more about this at the ASK CRG PAGE (scroll down to number 121...)

Ed

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Originality / Re: Tic toc tach w/gauges
« on: August 13, 2006, 05:38:34 PM »
Thanks Kurt. I've always been a little light on 69's so I appreciate the info. Was that available throughout the year?

Ed

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Originality / Re: 1968 Camaro emblems question (Rally Sport)
« on: August 08, 2006, 04:17:32 AM »
Don,

all lower case

Ed

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Originality / Re: Door Lock Knobs
« on: August 08, 2006, 02:40:59 AM »
Murph,

I re-read your ORIGINAL POST on the Team Camaro site, and it really didn't give you a definitive answer to your question, so I can see why you're still confused.

For 68, the Door Lock Knobs matched the interior color of the car and are the same part numbers as the Astro Vent Pulls. For 68, the part numbers and colors (from the P&A 34, Group 10.559 or Group 9.262) are:

7799353 - Black
7759029 - Red
7759030 - Turquoise
7759036 - Blue
7759037 - Teal
7759038 - Saddle
7759039 - Gold
7759040 - Parchment
7759041 - Gray
7799354 - White

Note that the above knobs were also used on other models as well. The only one that was a "Camaro only" is the white!

Most people have replaced these over the years just because of the problem you're experiencing, "rub through". Although most repop houses only carry the chrome plastic ones, D&R CLASSIC has a couple of the colors available. Do a search on "Lock Knob" and you'll get a few hits.

Ed

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Originality / Re: Tic toc tach w/gauges
« on: August 06, 2006, 11:50:11 PM »
That's okay. But again, no tach without the other gauges (and the console), so it's either been "added", or the console and gauges "removed".

Ed

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Originality / Re: Tic toc tach w/gauges
« on: August 06, 2006, 08:07:40 PM »
Wait a minute. Are we talking about a 68 or a 69? (You have both in your original thread, but since you refer to it as a "Tic-Toc-Tach", I was assuming you meant a 68 since this wasn't available on a 69.)

If it IS a 68, then it sounds like he installed a tach and didn't bother with the other gauges (or the console). Since repops are now available, things like this are going to start popping up more and more.

If he installed the tach in place of the gas gauge, then he's not only lost that ability, but the ability to monitor the alternator and the cooling temperature as well (see below). Of course, aftermarket gauges have been added as you stated, but he's still lost his fuel level and charging system monitors.

Interesting that the adapter was still available from GM. I knew the speedo gears were, but I didn't think the adapter would be. you just never know...

Ed


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Originality / Re: Tic toc tach w/gauges
« on: August 06, 2006, 04:26:02 AM »
No, the Tic-Toc-Tach was part of the RPO U17 option that included not only the tach, but the ammeter, temperature, oil pressure and fuel level gauges. Of course, the RPO D55 console was required as was a V8 engine. In reading your post, it appears that you're stating that the car you saw had the oil pressure and temperature gauges in the same instrument cluster as the tach?

Ed

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Correct intake manifold code
« on: August 06, 2006, 04:21:52 AM »
Mark,

Alan has made a lot of changes to his books over the years so you can't take everything in your particular copy as face value. He used to have these changes listed on his WEB site, but for some reason it's no longer available. Hasn't been for several months now. I'm not sure why. Alan is a member of the CRG so perhaps he's in the process of changing hosts?

But anyway, the 163 manifold was used late in the 1968 model year starting I believe, sometime in March of 1968. (late in the 68 "Model" year, but early in the 68 "year"). My car has a 163 intake dated April 9th, 1968, but I've personally seen another 163 intake dated March 26th, 1968. The 069 manifold was discontinued at the same time the 163 was introduced, so there's some overlap that would have taken place for engines assembled in that time frame, but your June car would have come with the 163. But yes, do check the date code of your intake. I would be curious as to what it says.

Ed

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