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For 68, the EE code is a 327/275 with a Powerglide. You "should" have a 10 bolt and single leaf springs. 327/275 with a 4 speed (L30/M20) would have received the multi-leaf springs and a 12 bolt.

All your dates line up nicely. How much is he asking and what kind of shape is it in?


Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1968 L34 exhaust manifold date codes
« on: January 20, 2007, 05:26:59 PM »
Yes, that date lines up nicely with your engine build. The 178 is just the last three digits of the entire casting number (located on the front). No real significance.



I'm not sure if it has much value since it's a 1967 (or even a 1977) date, but you never know. Heck, put it up on ebay for a buck and see if you get any nibbles.


Originality / Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
« on: January 20, 2007, 04:40:28 AM »
Sorry about that Cfar. Yes, as Rich stated it's the month and week of the cars build date. 01C would be the 3rd week of January, 02B would be the second week in February, etc... In your case, the 3rd week of November would be 11C.

Note that this is the week your car was started at the Fisher Body Plant and may not be (and probably won't be) the week it rolled off the final assembly line. For some really good info on the first generation Camaro assembly process, read THIS REPORT by John Hinckley (JohnZ). He was there when it all happened!

By the way, thanks Kevin. I'll add it to the list.


Originality / Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
« on: January 20, 2007, 02:17:40 AM »

Norwood or LA plant?


Originality / Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
« on: January 20, 2007, 02:03:13 AM »
I contacted Rich to find out if there was any new info on the change-over date for the woodgrain ashtray. Although not a direct quote, here's what he had to say (Thanks Rich).

For the Los Angeles plant, cars from 02C have the woodgrain ashtray, and most cars up to and including 01B have black. However, there are holes in the Los Angeles data between 01C and 02C, so there is still a 4 to 5 week period for which we can't be sure of the extent of overlap.
For the Norwood plant, cars from 03C have the woodgrain ashtray, although woodgrain does start occurring sporadically in 01C. However, as there are a number of cases where people have Obviously swapped in the wrong ashtray, which of these during this time period is real and which is not is uncertain.

Note that there is a bit of factory difference in that Los Angeles had a shorter overlap period of no more than 5 weeks, vs. 8 to 9 weeks at Norwood.
                 Black          Woodgrain      Notes
Thru 01B    LOS/NOR    n/a                 early black only
01C-02B     LOS/NOR    LOS/NOR         early transition
02C-03B     NOR           LOS/NOR         late transition
03C-on      n/a             LOS/NOR         late woodgrain only
Please remember that this is still preliminary data and should not be taken as a final determination. This is an ongoing CRG research report and we welcome additional input. Especially in the gray areas mentioned above. If you are positive your ashtray is original, please contact us.


I KNEW loosing that book would come back and bite me some day!!


Jerry, you take paypal???


Originality / Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
« on: January 19, 2007, 09:27:51 PM »
Thanks Rick. If you could verify that date when you get home I'd appreicate it.



That's over a year difference between the distributor date and the date of your car. Also, the 68 302 used the 1111267 distributor and I don't believe the factory would have used a 266 on a 68. I could be wrong though. JohnZ can give us more info on that. What's the assembly date of your engine?

The 3838175 water pump is probably 3839175 and that's a late 1963 or 1964 Corvette 327 pump so it's not original to your car. That date would be an over the counter replacement also.


Originality / Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
« on: January 19, 2007, 08:27:12 PM »
Paul, thanks for that info. Are you absolutly positive it's original to your car?

Rick, can you give me the build date of your SS? I'm also assuming your September car has the black tray?

Anyone else? I'd like to continue this. The only thing I ask is that you're positive the tray is original to your car.


Originality / Re: 1969 Camaro battery
« on: January 19, 2007, 08:25:02 PM »

The side post stared in May, 1969.

HERE'S A LINK to the info.


Originality / Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
« on: January 19, 2007, 06:23:40 PM »
Ah ha!! That clears it up. Thanks.

By the way, there were actually three ashtrays used in 68!

Group 12.009 - Tray Assy, Ash Receiver

1968 Camaro (exc. console, intr. decor. pack) - 3919123
1968 Camaro w/console - 3927460 (Black)
1968 Camaro w/console - 3921861 (Woodgrain)


Originality / Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
« on: January 19, 2007, 04:24:58 PM »
Restoring a Jan 68 LA 55k so far a numbers match L30 car.

The build date is Nov 67 3rd week LA plant

You have me confused here. Is it a January 68 or a November 67 car?

Either way, unless it's a very late January car, you should have the black ashtray. And again, we're not sure on the change over date, so it could be as late as March, 1968.


Originality / Re: WT Master Cylinder
« on: January 19, 2007, 03:07:29 PM »
I've seen it both ways.


Originality / Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
« on: January 19, 2007, 03:06:32 PM »
The Black ashtray was used from the start of production until sometime in late January or February. possibly as late as March. At that time the Woodgrain ashtray came into production. This is an ongoing CRG report but the last I heard, there wasn't enough info to make an absolute determination. Rich might be able to shed more info on this if there's been any additional info.


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