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Site Comments/Discussion / MOVED: 67-69 Lower A-Arms
« on: June 10, 2011, 07:02:51 PM »
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Site Comments/Discussion / MOVED: battery or alt
« on: June 07, 2011, 09:28:31 PM »
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1968 - Orphans / 18N384591 Muncie on Team Camaro
« on: April 08, 2011, 02:54:29 PM »

General Discussion / OT, but highly worth the effort
« on: December 16, 2010, 05:13:05 PM »
Xerox is doing something really cool for our troops and you can (should) participate. Even if you disagree with our policies.

Go to THIS SITE and send a Christmas card to one of our troops. It only takes a few minutes of your time and would be a huge lift to someone far away from home. There are "canned" statements, but if you have the time, you can use your own words to say thanks. Please though, no political statements. Just be supportive of our military personnel.


Research Topics & Reports / Early 1969 Remote Mirrors
« on: March 22, 2010, 03:11:03 AM »
I'm working on a Mirror report for the group and need information from you EARLY (August/September 1968 timeframe) 1969 Camaro owners with an original factory installed remote mirror.

The 1968 Remote Mirror utilized an intermediate "adjusting collar" because the mirror was used model wide. It also had two small drain holes on either side of the bottom of the mirror "head".

The 1969 Remote Mirror didn't utilize the intermediate "adjusting collar" because each mirror was specific to each model car. Each had their own part number and were designed just for the slope of the drivers side door. The 1969 mirror also had a center "oblong" drain hole in the bottom of the "head" instead of the two small holes as used in the 1968 mirror.

My data indicates that the 1968 version was produced up to August, 1968 (8-DMI-8), but was this mirror installed on any 1969 models from the factory, or was it an over the counter service replacement?

So, I need everyone with an early (August or September, 1968) produced 1969 model year Camaro with the FACTORY installed D33 Remote Mirror (that's VERY important. It has to be the original factory installed mirror), to take a look at theirs and tell me if it has the intermediate "adjusting collar" and the two drain holes like the 1968 mirror, or if it has the center "oblong" drain hole without the intermediate "adjusting collar".

Please let me know the build date on your trim tag, if it's a Norwood or Los Angeles built car and the date code etched into the glass.


1968 - Orphans / 18L333574 - LF7 Engine block
« on: March 17, 2010, 06:38:35 PM »
18L333574 V0309ME (LF7 327/210) I have your engine block.


Decoding/Numbers / Need a little P&A help please...
« on: April 23, 2009, 02:15:37 PM »
If anyone has a 1969, 1970 or 1971 P&A, can you email me please? I need a few part numbers looked up and they're not in the P&A'a I have.


General Discussion / Steering wheel report finally done!!
« on: November 12, 2008, 03:55:39 PM »
Well... after almost a year and a half, the CRG STEERING WHEEL REPORT is finally done and posted! What I thought would be a slam dunk report turned out to be much more difficult than I had anticipated. Not only was the research farily involved, but finding all the pictures took a ton of time. It's amazing how many cars out there have the wrong wheel, horn cap, shroud or what-not!

I would like to thank everyone that sent me pictures, including the folks that sent me pictures I couldn't use for whatever reason. Taking time out of busy schedules to participate is very much appreciated. Make sure you guys hover your mouse over the pictures to get the names of each participant because they deserve a lot of credit for their time. Without these guys, the report would still be "under construction"! I also want to thank everyone that posted information in the steering wheel threads. This information was very valuable in the research process.

I finally want to thank the other members of the CRG for some great background information and assistance. As always, your help was VERY much appreciated!

Hopefully, this will answer a lot of questions regarding first generation Camaro steering wheels, but if you have questions or additional information, please feel free to email me.


Warren Leunig emailed me this morning with a couple of interesing finds at the 2008 Spring Carlisle. Among them were the original engine to a car that's currently on ebay! (The item number is 350051856689)

I've wrtitten to the seller (dancindan48) with this information but I'm not sure if we'll be able to reunited the car with the engine. I've emailed Warren to see if he got the engine seller's contact info, but he hasn't replied yet.

I'll keep you guys informed if anything comes up, but in the meantime, here's a picture of the stamping.


In case you haven't been following the "PEBBLE-GRAIN" THREAD because it doesn't apply to you, I've started one for you owners of 69 Camaro smooth steering wheels!

We now know the smooth wheel was used at least from 02B on, but now I need to know if it was used any earlier. If you have an original 69 Camaro with the smooth steering wheel, please post. (NOTE: The original "pebble-graining" wore off fairly quickly, so a VERY close inspection of the wheel may be required.) I'll need the following information:

1. Type of car (base, RS, SS, Z28, COPO, etc...)
2. VIN of the car
3. Build date on the Trim Tag (12A, 03B, 05D, etc...)
4. Interior code on the Trim Tag (712, 718, 722, etc...)
5. If the car has the "standard Interior", does it have the Z23 option

Thanks gents (and ladies)!


Okay boys and girls, the steering wheel report is coming along fine, but we've run into a snag and need your help.

According to a note in the September, 1968 P&A X691A (see attached), all 69 Camaro SS, RS, Z23, Z87 (see note 1 below) and N30 (see note 2 below) cars received a "Deluxe Wheel". All other cars received the "Standard Wheel". The problem is that the note doesn't seem to follow actual observed usages!

It's believed that the "Deluxe" wheel is the steering wheel with the "pebble-graining" between the two grooves cut into the perimeter of the wheel (see example below). "Standard" wheels (and later service replacements) were smooth in this area.

So, if you own an original 1969 Camaro, we would appreciate the following information:

1. Type of car (base, RS, SS, Z28, COPO, etc...)
2. VIN of the car
3. Build date on the Trim Tag (12A, 03B, 05D, etc...)
4. Interior code on the Trim Tag (712, 718, 722, etc...)
5. If the car has the "standard Interior", does it have the Z23 option
6. Type of steering wheel (Standard "smooth" or Deluxe "pebble-grained") NOTE: The original "pebble-graining" wore off fairly quickly, so a VERY close inspection of the wheel may be required.

Note 1 - Although the note doesn't specifically reference the Z87 Custom Deluxe interior, the Z23 Interior Style Trim Group (referred to in the note as the Interior Decor Package), was included in the Z87 option, therefore the Deluxe wheel would also be used in Z87 cars.

Note 2 - The N30 "Deluxe Steering Wheel" never made it into production for the 1969 model year, so the note may not be completely accurate.

If you want to contact me off fourm or have any questions, please feel free to email me at

Thanks in advance...

Test Drive / Test of the picture upload problem
« on: July 26, 2007, 01:25:47 AM »
Just testing to see if uploads are having problems.



1968 - Orphans / 8N385170 396/325 L35 Engine
« on: July 11, 2007, 04:21:41 PM »
ebay auction 260135531741


General Discussion / Not Camaro, but interesting none the less
« on: June 09, 2007, 06:35:32 PM »
This Friday (6-15-07) at noon, Tulsa time, they unearth the Plymouth Belvedere they burried 50 years ago in a time capsule. Ought to be interesting...



Restoration / "Classic Car" Body shops in the Temecula/Murrieta area?
« on: April 24, 2007, 11:27:40 PM »
Guys my daughter was in a slight fender bender a few weeks ago (she got rear ended), and the insurance company body shops won't touch the car. I guess if they can't unbolt the damaged panel and bolt in a new one, they won't touch it! I actually got pissed at one guy and asked him if he even knew what a hammer and dolly was!! He wasn't amused...

Anyway, the car (1969 Corvair Convertible) didn't receive much damage (they were only going 20-25 MPH), but the rear bumper got tweeked and the lower rear body panel got pushed in a bit, so it needs to be hammered back out. Nothing major at all.

Anyone know of any good "classic car" body shops in or around the Temecula/Murrieta (California) area?


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