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1968 - Orphans / 124378N425339 Z28 Window Sticker and Invoice
« on: May 30, 2013, 10:56:18 PM »
NICE DOCS if you happen to have the car. It's not in the db, but you never know. It could still be around...

VIN: 124378N425339
Seller: dog*friendly
Location: Hartford City, IN
Buy it Now: $499.99
ebay auction number: 171048646378

this is the real father and myself purchased this Z28 in i believe june 1968.we bought it from tom carney chevy/olds inc. in bluffton indiana (believe no longer in business).the sticker is in very good shape.there is one small tear in the center where it was folded on the left and a small hole on the righ side.both are visable in the pictures.  i contacted the person i sold it to and he didnt recall to whom he sold it to and without the vin number i couldnt do a title search...the car was equipted as the sticker shows but it did have a wooden look plastic 3 spoke steering wheel, origional equiptment,installed at the doesent show up on the sticker...also included are some area quotes for compairing the prices. carney was the only dealer that had this Z28 on hand.the others dealers would have to ordered it from the the factory...please ask if any questions and ill try to answer proper. check out my feedback and be confident. buy now or make me an offer. sold to lower 48 only though alaska and hawaii ok but prob wont rec in 3 days priority mail.  sold as-is with no returns accepted.  if you have this car you NEED this sticker. if you have a similar you still NEED this sticker.ill pack in in a flat rate envelope with enough cardboard that it wont be bent...believe me,id rather still have the car than this sticker...paypal only


Decoding/Numbers / Anyone close?
« on: May 23, 2013, 10:28:02 PM »


Anyone near Knoxville care to check it out and get a picture of the trim tag and record the VIN?

For future searches:

ST69 12437 NOR271360 BDY
TR 723 59 S PNT
02D X66

Decoding/Numbers / New creep on the block!
« on: May 17, 2013, 01:50:33 PM »
Looks like there's a new player in the FAKE TRIM TAG/FAKE VIN TAG game. (Thanks to Warren Leunig for pointing them out)

deniser3592 from Uxbridge, Ontario Canada

Check out the feedback and you'll see the blank VIN tags. Also note the name "Bill" in THIS AUCTION. I wonder if it's our old friend Bill Clements. Last I heard he had moved to Canada, so it's very possible.

In this example, there are two:

1967 Trim Tag

01E E
ST 67 12437 NOR180567 BODY

1969 Trim Tag

ST 69 12437 NOR193681 BDY
TR 719 52 52 PNT
12B X33 D80

Thank goodness they're HORRIBLE and a 5 year old could tell the difference!!


General Discussion / 1967 "Pilot" cars
« on: May 02, 2013, 04:04:07 PM »
Someone asked about the 67 Pilot cars, so here's the info pulled from the old USCC March/April 1995 edition.


1968 - Orphans / 18L337868 V0405MA LF7 engine
« on: April 16, 2013, 06:03:31 PM »


•Location: FRESNO,CA.

Additional information... His name is Rick and his email address is


1969 - Orphans / 19N659080 P9E02A Muncie M20 transmission
« on: March 07, 2013, 08:25:37 PM »

Apache Junction (Phoenix) area - $600.00

M20 out of a 1969 Camaro. Case: 3925660 Tailshaft: 3857584 Sidecover: 6952648.
No broken ears or other damage to the case, I was told it was out of a running car.
If you are serious on it, I can take it to my trans rebuilder and see what he thinks about it internally.
I have a couple shifters for an additional fee. A Mr Gasket for $50, or a Hurst competion plus for an additional $250. I have a 430 bellhousing for $80 as well.
Dave 480-330-8858

General Discussion / This is why you NEVER trust anyone on ebay
« on: January 12, 2013, 09:04:54 PM »
Some really nice docs for a Norwood LF7 Coupe were sold a few days ago by seller rradar2002 out of Medford, OR.


The seller said:

68 Camaro Owners Manual + Envelope + Waranty & Owner Protection Plan with Metal ID Plate  + Window Sticker + Milage Sticker + Inspection Schedule + Air Pollution Brochure. Most  items are in VG to Excellent Condition. Was saved from vehicle I owned and kept inside out of sun or moisture.   Will make a nice presentation for your Camaro.  Be sure to ask about the condition of individual items before bidding. Thanks.

They were purchased with a buy it now of $50.00 by another ebay seller wbjpmj out of Canfield, OH, but in HIS ad, the car has magically turned into an SS!!


THIS IS THE REAL DEAL. A FACTORY ORIGINAL 1968 CAMARO SPORT COUPE SS WINDOW STICKER WITH THE MATCHING OWNERS PROTECTION PLAN BOOKLET AND THE ORIGINAL NEW VEHICLE CHECK IN SHEET. IF YOU OWN A BUTTERNUT YELLOW SS WITH A BLACK VINYL TOP VIN ID: 124378N449356 SOLD NEW IN AUGUST OF 1968 FROM DANIELS CHEVROLET IN COLORADO SPRINGS COLORADO THIS IS YOUR ORIGINAL DOCUMENTATION !!!!!! This is one of those pieces that you don't find everyday and when you do it is not in the condition this piece is in for that exclusive show piece. No need to play the bidding game here as you can buy it today and receive it in three days. All Literature listed is of the finest quality and will compliment any show car of any quality. Unless listed as a daily driver piece the photo that you see is the item that you will receive. If for any reason you are not happy with your purchase simply send it back and I will refund your purchase price less the original shipping costs.

 If you are looking for the finishing touch for your show piece or daily driver and want only the best in Factory Original Literature in hard to find pieces you have found on of the Rarest collections in existence. I will be listing 20-25 pieces per week until sold which I can assure you will be quite sometime with over 1,600 pieces for all makes and models. I have the Original owners manuals, warranty booklet's and plates, tire brochures, emission brochures, radio brochures, convertible top manuals, envelopes, bags, leather pouches and anything else that may have been found in the glove box of the vehicle when it rolled off the showroom floor. You will find that my prices based on the condition of all of my literature are the best on E-Bay.  

I have factory original owners Manuals and Portfolio's for most makes and models from 1929 to 2013. If you do not see what you are looking for add me to your favorites as I am sure it will be available here soon.

The item you see is the one being sent to you should you be the winning bidder. There are no RE-PRINTS in this collection. RE-PRINTS are found all over the internet, however factory original pieces are of the hardest to acquire especially in the condition found here.

Factory Original Owners Protection Plan Booklet with Metal Plate for a 1968 Camaro Sport Coupe WITH THE MATCHING ORIGINAL WINDOW STICKER AND MATCHING VIN. This particular piece was from a Butternut Yellow with a Black Vinyl Top VIN ID: 124378N449356 with the Matching OPP Manual and Plate. The book is in exceptional condition,  Original Part number is 3936265 FIRST Edition and also has the Original Dealer Pre-Delivery Sheet and the owners name was never filled in. As seen in the photo literature is in excellent condition. Rating this piece on a scale of 1-10 considering it's age I would give it a 9.5. Please review the photo closely prior to bid or purchase. Being an original piece which is very hard to acquire it is an excellent original piece.  Looking for other Vette Manuals, Import Manuals, Domestic Manuals, Service Manuals, Parts Manuals, or other unique show car literature keep checking my auctions as they will be here.

All items will be sent by Economy First Class Mail with delivery confirmation for your protection as well as mine. Shipping will be FREE across the United States and $8.00 to Canada. Others please e-mail prior to purchase and verify that I ship to your area.

Not only that, but he didn't include the rest of the docs and paperwork in his auction, so you're getting less for more $$$! Now, I'm not saying the new seller is trying to rip anyone off (you can make that decision on your own), but I've contacted him about his "mistake", and what do you wnat to bet the auction WON'T be changed?

The lesson? Do the detective work BEFORE you buy. (Thanks for the heads up Warren!!)


General Discussion / San Marino Concours - June 9, 2013
« on: January 09, 2013, 09:01:17 PM »
Gents, I received an email from Michael Brennan, the chair of the muscle car selection committee for the 2013 SAN MARINO MOTOR CLASSIC.

He's asking for original (or restored) ZL-1 and/or other COPO owners that might be interested in participating.

If you have a ZL-1 or a COPO, and would like to enter your car, please contact Michael at

If you don't have a ZL-1 or a COPO, but know someone that does, please pass this info to them.


Test Drive / Font test
« on: November 30, 2012, 05:00:51 PM »
Rat Pack

Ed Bertrand

Research Topics & Reports / 67-68 Los Angeles firewall piercings
« on: October 22, 2012, 03:51:31 PM »
Gents, Troy is working on a firewall report and needs some assistance.

He's found that Norwood cars follow the AIM exactly for the firewall piercings, but he's found that LA didn't always go by the book! Specifically, the manual transmission backup light wiring hole and the oil line hole for the U17 gauge option.

Therefore, anyone with an ORIGINAL UNRESTORED Los Angeles built 67 or 68 Camaro with a manual transmission (3 or 4 speed), please post a picture of your firewall. Specifically the general area where the backup light wiring hole is, but a large enough picture so he can get a reference as to other holes and components.

Also, anyone with a Los Angeles built 67 or 68 Camaro with the U17 gauge package (manual or automatic transmission), please post pictures of your firewall. Again, specifically the general area where the oil line goes through the firewall, but a large enough picture so he can get a reference as to other holes and components.

In addition, please post the year, model (Coupe or Convertible), and build date of your car, along with the Fisher Body scheduling code, so he knows when any changes that may show up took place.

Any questions, or if your picture is too large to post on site, feel free to email them directly to Troy or myself. My email address is in my profile.



Mild Modifications / Reproduction AM/FM quality?
« on: April 23, 2012, 04:04:16 PM »
Anyone know anything about THIS RADIO? It's very pricy (all the repop houses sell it for about the same price), but my radio just died and it would cost close to that to get it fixed. And even then it would still be 50 year old technology. This one "appears" correct, but I haven't seen it up close so there may be some minor differences.

Basically I'd like to know if it really DOES look "correct", how does it sound and how's the overall manufacture quality. It's actually made in the US by ANTIQUE AUTOMOBILE RADIO, so hopefully, that's a plus!

Thanks in advance...


General Discussion / John Pirkle, Sr
« on: October 18, 2011, 01:21:49 AM »
John Pirkle obituary

I didn't know John personally, but spoke with him on a few occasions over the last several years. He was a well respected member of the Corvette community as well as just about all other GM communities. His attention to detail was unparalleled and he will be terribly missed.

The picture below is John Hinckley and John Pirkle at the last NCRS National convention in July.

Rest in peace Colonel.


1968 - Orphans / 18N410345 LF7 engine
« on: October 14, 2011, 01:01:28 AM »
Your engine is currently in a 1975 Corvette Coupe.




1968 - Orphans / 18L324909 LF7 on Riverside Craigslist
« on: September 30, 2011, 10:44:15 PM »

VIN: 18L324909
Suffix: V1229ME

Location: Riverside, CA

This is a complete 327 large journal short block out of a 1968 camaro. It is casting number 3914678 which indicates 302, 327, or 350 large journal 2 bolt mains. Only produced in 1968 this is a very rare casting number from what im told and is correct for corvettes, camaro z-28 etc. only the crank would be differant to acheive the differant displacements. The date code shows it was cast on Dec 20 1967. It has a 327 crank casting# 3911001 and the desirable 7178 main caps. It is stock bore, turns freely and apparently has never been rebuilt. Looks to be in great shape except light rust in one cylinder. would definitely clean up with a bore job. Have an oil pan to go with to ease transport as well. Located in riverside but i could make delivery arrangements depending on distance in southern california. These are selling on ebay for between $650 and $2800, so if i dont sell it here im going to auction it. I would rather not deal with that though and willing to part with it for $400 or best offer 951-836-0620 ask for Bryan.

General Discussion / Another (BIG) win for Jerry!
« on: September 06, 2011, 03:32:02 AM »
This time it's for the class win in D/Stock at the NHRA US Nationals in Indianapolis, IN.

Congratulations Jerry!


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