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1  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 63K mile '69 Sport Coupe on: November 04, 2013, 04:10:08 PM
It's a good project car - I remember seeing it in 06. Doesn't seem that long ago.....
If you know any of the drivetrain codes, can you post them? Thanks!

Kurt, Intake is Casting # 3927183 dated C 25 9.  More as I get to them.
2  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 63K mile '69 Sport Coupe on: November 04, 2013, 01:53:17 AM
It's a good project car - I remember seeing it in 06. Doesn't seem that long ago.....
If you know any of the drivetrain codes, can you post them? Thanks!
engine code on pad is T0430DD - which jives with the car.  No VIN derivative on pad...will see if I can get a look down by oil filter.  I have the cast date on the intake too but need to go look it up.  Alternator and water pump have been swapped out for newer units.  Doubt I will get the code off the tranny but am aiming to pull code from rear end...will post when I do Kurt.
3  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 63K mile '69 Sport Coupe on: November 03, 2013, 11:38:25 AM
I planned to not post again and just let the thread die but after reading the last three posts I figured I " owed" a status report.  No doubt you have noticed I have not yet posted on TC.  I figured that since that would be an actual advertisement I needed a few more photos showing details (like the broken tail lamp lens) for which I just could not find the time yesterday.  I also need to track down any parts I may have (like the OE lens to replace the aforementioned broken one).  Really should have that all nailed down rather than a bunch of hand waving  and guessing.  This thread was pretty ad hoc and not really what one would want to see in an actual listing...so I guess I should be thanking CRG for letting me see the wrinkles that needed ironing Wink .  I have another site on which I am very active (not TC Grin ) so know the members fairly well.  II will mostly likely give those guys a shot before you see it at TC for the same reasons I was going to go here first.

I've always thought this was a keen little car and had envisioned it completed in it's original color being driven by my daughter.  But as I watched her enthusiasm for C3's grow I realized I should give her a choice.  Once the choice was made I realized that I really had to get the number of cars around here down...I'm not getting any younger and have too many left to build...plus I only have so much garage space Wink .  It's taken me since March to mentally let this car go (after I've had almost 8 years of planning it's restoration under my belt). 

If it doesn't sell at the other site then I will post up here to let you all know when it hits TC.  You will note that there is still no price mentioned.  That's because this is not an ad but a discussion about a fairly original car and it's fate.  On that note I will add this:  if any one has questions about details, colors, etc I would be happy to take photos or whatever of this car and post back up here in this thread. 
4  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 63K mile '69 Sport Coupe on: November 02, 2013, 12:21:49 AM
Or are you just trying to create enough buzz to get a few guys to start making you offers? seems like you have to decide wether you are trying to get every nickle out of it (ebay auction etc)
Or if money is not your motivator as you state that you want it to go to somebody that will give it the TLC, then there should be a price stated.
So which is it?
-No price to generate a private bidding war?
-a price listed so someone that has real interest may contact you, knowing there aren't a bunch of side deals going on?


Ya know, the more I think about it the more I resent you coming down on me for following your very specific advice.  Guess I shouldn't have have done so, that's my bad.

Quote from: BULLITT65
...If there is a problem, I think you could safely post pictures of it on CRG and state all the facts about the car and then say you are thinking of selling it, and you would probably get a few PM s of members who would be interested. Just an idea

One final thought...Selling the car to someone who cares is not mutually exclusive with making money on the deal. 
The car has to go.
The money will go towards completing my daughter's Corvette.
I'd just prefer that those interested in the car for something other than hot rodding would end up with it but at the end of the day it ends up with who it ends up with.
5  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 63K mile '69 Sport Coupe on: November 02, 2013, 12:04:01 AM
Or are you just trying to create enough buzz to get a few guys to start making you offers? seems like you have to decide wether you are trying to get every nickle out of it (ebay auction etc)
Or if money is not your motivator as you state that you want it to go to somebody that will give it the TLC, then there should be a price stated.
So which is it?
-No price to generate a private bidding war?
-a price listed so someone that has real interest may contact you, knowing there aren't a bunch of side deals going on?

Actually I was doing stuff with the family as opposed to watching this site.  Well, ummm, no bidding war, I was actually following your advice to just post up some details and photos to generate some conversation.  Until I put a price on it the post wasn't an ad.  I was hopping for a CRG member like Kurt to provide some guidance (which he did) so I'd know which way to jump.  
6  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 63K mile '69 Sport Coupe on: November 01, 2013, 11:59:20 PM
Joe,
While I appreciate your intentions, I'd rather not have classifieds on the forum. Team Camaro has classifieds well covered. Smiley

Thanks!
Thanks Kurt...that's the feedback for which I was waiting...Smiley

I'll take it elsewhere.

PS...did you get this one in the data base when you were out years ago?
7  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 63K mile '69 Sport Coupe on: November 01, 2013, 07:09:25 PM
The interior is really the crown jewel here.  I hesitate to use the word here due to the color but it really is mint.  The pictures do all of the talking:












 The armrests are a little discolored.  The package tray is sun baked.  The dash is a little sticky

I'm happy to take other photos as requested.
8  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 63K mile '69 Sport Coupe on: November 01, 2013, 07:07:23 PM
Here is the inside of the trunk:



9  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 63K mile '69 Sport Coupe on: November 01, 2013, 07:06:01 PM
The engine compartment is very complete although dirty.  I need to verify the block as original again (did it years ago, I think, but did not document).  The original owner told me he had his mechanic put heads on the car that would work with unleaded fuel...so I assume that they are not OE.  The car runs but has two problems...a carb that desperately needs a rebuild and a constant stream of blue smoke out the tail pipe.  The brakes are very mushy - I think it is due to a rear wheel cylinder leak.  The same mechanic that installed the "unleaded compliant" heads also recommended a brake job (on a car that was in storage...go figure).  He did a poor job as when one steps firmly on the brakes the car executes a hard right turn.  These are all easily remedied items I just never got to the stage of tearing the car down to restore it.


10  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 63K mile '69 Sport Coupe on: November 01, 2013, 06:54:03 PM
I thought it somewhat interesting that a Norwood built car was sold new in LA...not that it didn't happen just a little unique.  

The car was painted at some point during it's life a dark green and then an Earl Schieb white.  Both poor quality repaints...they have flaked off in spots revealling the glossy Frost Green beneath.  Some exterior shots:








The left tail lamp lens has a chunk missing. I believe I have a very good original to replace it (need to check the boxes)

According to original owner he lent the car to his mother-in-law to drive until it was parked in about 2000.  She is responsible for denting the front lower valance, front bumper and cracking the grill.  she apparently did this in a grocery store parking lot.  He said she hit a shopping cart but I think it might have been more like the shopping cart return.   Grin

The car retains it's original issue black plates...something I thought was really cool.
11  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 63K mile '69 Sport Coupe on: November 01, 2013, 06:46:17 PM
Just kidding.... Smiley  Here's the scoop:

Bought the car in 2005 from a gentleman in Northridge. My intent was to build it for my oldest daughter (now 15) but she has become a real Corvette C3 nut.  Since we have a '70 LT-1  here waiting to be restored she's opted for it.  Now the '69 307 car needs to find a new home.  I've kept it out doors here in So Cal since but under a very good cover:


He was the original owner and had only a copy of the sales contract from Bliss & Paden in LA.  Purchase price was $3372.  According to the original owner, there was a brown RS right next to this car on the lot.  His wife really wanted it but it was $500 more and he didn't want to spend the cash. So he bought this car and paid the dealer to install a vinyl roof to make his wife happy.   Here is the trim tag:



As you can see, not brown nor a vinyl top when it left Norwood.
12  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 63K mile '69 Sport Coupe on: November 01, 2013, 06:38:26 PM
POST SOME PICTURES!!  (vin, firewall tag, engine compartment, and any documentation. )

That will generate a lot of BUZZ all by itself. Guys will start posting questions and the like after that. I see you are in Vista, I am currently living by Temecula, How much are you asking for it.... Cheesy
LOL  You are just jonesing for some photos....I should tease a little longer....
13  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 63K mile '69 Sport Coupe on: November 01, 2013, 05:50:01 PM
I know team Camaro has a classifieds area, I am not sure why CRG doesn't.
If there is a problem, I think you could safely post pictures of it on CRG and state all the facts about the car and then say you are thinking of selling it, and you would probably get a few PM s of members who would be interested. Just an idea
I'd only be guessing as to why no for sale section here...so I won't offer a guess ;-)

I wanted to start here because there are more people on the CRG that appreciate even the plain janes than do so over at Team Camaro.  Like I said, I was hoping for someone to not turn it into the next Car Craft cover car or another drag car...this seems lie the right place just didn't want to step on any toes since selling stuff has never really been a part of this site.

Your suggestion is not bad but, since I've decided to sell the car, I do want to generate traffic to the post.  Was considering putting for sale in the subject heading.
14  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / 63K mile '69 Sport Coupe on: November 01, 2013, 03:55:55 PM
I have a '69 sport coupe that I purchased from the original owner.  It shows 63K on the clock and, although it's been repainted, the interior would tend to support that as the actual mileage.  It is a 307, AT (TH350), PDB, AC car with standard interior.  It is very complete and needs minor body work and paint as well as an engine rebuild (rings).  I bring all of this up as I am going to sell it (I need to thin the herd a little).  I would like to see someone up here give it the TLC and respect it deserves as opposed to selling  it into a life of pro-touring on Ebay.

Are there any objections to me posting it up here with photos and a price to see if someone in the CRG community will take it?

LMK...I'm going out to snap some photos now.

15  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Drum Brake differences between F-bodies on: February 17, 2012, 12:54:27 PM
In a Firebird related discussion it has been suggested that Camaro and Firebird used different spindles and/or hubs to give Firebird a wider track.  I had always been under the impression that the two cars shared components in that area.  Are there any known differences between the two cars with regard to drum brake spindles and hubs?  I have some Firebird parts (hubs from a '67, a hub from '68 and two spindles from '68) and I do have a fully assembled '69 Camaro drum equipped sub-frame (just not in a position to disassemble right now) if we want to do some comparisons.
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