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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Fisher Body Number Report (1969)

« on: December 13, 2018, 05:16:19 PM »

Thanks for the book recommendation!  I know little about DeLorean other than flux capacitors

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Fisher Body Number Report (1969)

« on: December 12, 2018, 03:19:53 PM »

More details here also http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=4795

Does anyone have a copy of an original dealer form?

The body number on the cowl tag was assigned when the plant accepted a dealer order for production; the dealer order number (which was pre-printed on the dealer's order blanks) didn't serve any direct purpose on the line in production, although it followed the car on all the Chevrolet paperwork (Broadcast Copy, window sticker, Car Shipper, etc.). The body number on the cowl tag showed up as the "Ident Number" in the top row on the Broadcast Copy, and also showed up in the upper right corner of the window sticker and Car Shipper. In the scheduling computer, that number tied the unit back to the specs on the Dealer Order.

When each body was scheduled out of the Chevrolet Body Bank to the beginning of the Chevrolet assembly system, it was assigned a "sequence number", which appears at the upper left corner of the Broadcast Copy - that's the exact sequence in which the car passed through the Chevrolet assembly system, and that was the important number as far as the plant was concerned while the unit was in the system; once the car came off the line, it was meaningless.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Fisher Body Number Report (1969)

« on: December 12, 2018, 03:06:45 PM »

Remember the body numbers were assigned by Fisher, a separate division from Chevrolet. When production started in Aug 69, it was a new year to Fisher and they started over.

With the new model year its very likely the GM order system software would have been updated.  So that would explain the order# reset for the Camaro extended production.  However in 1969 the Fisher body# is the order acceptance# according to the report  http://www.camaros.org/bodynumbering.shtml#69

I've looked the original sale invoice for my 69 countless times but recently noticed that the dealer stock# 2682 partially matches the Fisher body/order#, 264782. Sort of cool, likely less than exciting to the CRG.  Some of the old dealer ads have the stock# also.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Fisher Body Number Report (1969)

« on: December 11, 2018, 09:04:21 PM »

For 1969, both plants [Van Nuys and Norwood] were on the same system. My guess, the 1st confirmation # issued was 100001. Highest confirm I know of is in the 377xxx range so 277,000 orders were confirmed at one time. By the end of July '69 both plants had produced just over 200,000 Camaros so 77,000 orders were not built. In his book, John De Lorean stated dealer orders often contained errors; also dealers often exceeded allocations. Many orders were cancelled.

It seems unlikely that 77K orders would be confirmed and then later cancelled. Then in August the order number gets reset to ~100,000.  Why not just continue on past 400K?  So instead duplicate order numbers are used in the same model year.  My understanding is this order confirmation# was physically stamped on the trim tag, printed on the broadcast sheet, then the shipping report, and even on the window sticker.  Thats one magic number.

In Jerry's book (4th ed) there are some example documents from different months. On pg119 there is a window sticker for a very late Z, VIN 709540.  The order# is 158298 and production for Aug-Nov 69 was ~42803.  This is another ~15495 orders not built.

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Decoding/Numbers / Fisher Body Number Report (1969)

« on: December 10, 2018, 03:17:16 PM »

After reading the CRG report, I find it interesting that the body number sequence was reset in August 1969 because of the extended model year (my undergrad degree is Computer Science).  The body/order# range appears to have been ~100,000 to 400,000.  That would allow for 300,000 orders.  At the end of July 200,282 had been built (CRG end of month VIN report, LOS and NOR combined).  Its odd that ~1/3 of the order numbers were not assigned.  Maybe a COBOL program with some serious issues

My 69 is a Norwood 02D with a Feb 28 production date (NCRS, VIN also ~30 from the last). Subtracting the total units built to date (LOS+NOR) and the initial order# (100000) from its body# is ~32,000.  (264782 Fisher# - 132,552 built - 100,000 = 32230 ).  The order# for this car is ahead of number of Camaros built to date.

I checked some other dates combining the CRG end of month VIN report with some available trim tag body#.  Working with limited data there appears to be ~10K unused order# per month that accumulate.  Having spent more time than may be prudent on this, I would like to know if the group has any insight on why this occurred.  Some of my sample data is below.

Thanks
Rob


                                Prod
Month  Tag Date    Body#       To Date     Body#-Prod-100K
JAN     01C        233660       109967        23693
FEB     02D        264782       132552        32230
MAR     03D        295460       151695        43765
APR     04D        329868       167261        62607
MAY     05C        335317       180478        54839
JUN     06A        360307       195034        65273
JUL     07A        373272       200282        72990

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Originality / Re: '69 bell housing bolts

« on: October 25, 2018, 11:42:13 PM »

Thanks for the reply Ed.  Yes I get it they could've had a bin full of RBWs on 2/28/1969.  Who knows
AMK has been my goto for an 'acceptable' replacement when needed.  However in this case there are two bell housing bolts to choose from for 69.  It seems very specific.  Either way whats in there now aint even flange bolts.

G-6611    BELL HOUSING>ENGINE   FLNG BOLTS, "M" MARKING   
G-6149    BELL HOUSING>ENGINE   FLNG BOLTS (Flat Top) "A" MARKING   

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Originality / '69 bell housing bolts

« on: October 25, 2018, 01:44:57 PM »

I've heard the early '69s bell housing bolts had an 'M' marking.  These supposedly changed to 'A' marked ones at some point.  Anyone know roughly when this occurred? 

Rob

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Restoration / Re: 69 remote mirror

« on: September 27, 2018, 02:02:46 PM »

The 1970-81 Camaro bullet mirrors fit using the same mounting holes.   I took these off my 69... we could have done a trade but I sold them.  Do you have the original remote mirror?

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Decoding/Numbers / 3138 shifter

« on: September 08, 2018, 01:40:32 PM »

Is this Hurst shifter code number correct for a 69 Z/28 02D build?  I did read the report   Just want to confirm before getting into restoring it

Thanks !

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1969 - Orphans / 19N666539 P9H20A M20 on eBay

« on: August 14, 2018, 12:16:07 PM »

https://www.ebay.com/itm/232886993653

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General Discussion / Re: '69 Z/28

« on: August 13, 2018, 10:53:11 PM »

Probably easier to list the options you don't want Danny

Apparently dislikes our VE3's 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKy0gbw7CJ8

"You don't have to worry when the wife has your 1969 Chevy Camaro with the Resilient Bumper!"

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Restoration / Re: 1969 Z/28 Radiator Core - Source?

« on: August 07, 2018, 01:50:32 PM »

Ok yea, sorry I had seen these in the Classic Industries catalog.   Web site states "Note: Special order, must be prepaid. Non-returnable. Non-refundable."

https://www.classicindustries.com/product/1969/chevrolet/camaro/parts/hc216r.html

Rick's now offers these repro's.  Anyone know if they are as good as advertised ?
https://www.rickscamaros.com/camaro-harrison-radiators-show-quality-correct.html

Didn't check them all, but for every type of radiator offered in the list that I clicked on via that link, they all said 'availability: discontinued'.
I'd suggest Eckler's was previously sourcing these from Heartbeat City, as far as I know they are the only manufacturer licensed to reproduce parts with the 'HARRISON' logo.
Ties in with Lloyd's comment in the original post, that even HBC has no current stock.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: 70 LT1 pad stamp

« on: August 01, 2018, 04:44:04 PM »

According to the "Lime Book" if the casting date is 1970 then CTK is a 350ci/370hp for a Corvette with a 4 speed and transistor ignition. 

https://www.ncrs.org/ok/LIME_BOOK_2018.pdf

Rob

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Holley 4053

« on: July 31, 2018, 12:19:25 PM »

Thanks for the info!  Yes this was for another but I didn't get it.   Winning bid on eBay was $440.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Holley 4053

« on: July 28, 2018, 12:31:50 AM »

Metering block is 4519 ?