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Restoration / Re: Camaro and SS fender emblem attachment
« on: Today at 04:17:39 AM »
Allen, from my experience emblems were all attached with speed nuts, most were dark (manganese) phosphated or (dull) cadmium plated. Although (many) service replacement speed nuts include a rubber or caulk-type sealer, originals that I've seen don't use sealer unless the sheet metal piercing is into the passenger compartment or the trunk such as for the tail panel SS emblem or the quarter panel gills.   

Absolutely, and I hate the danged speed nuts for what they do tp the emblem studs. Have to be way too careful when you install or remove to keep from either stripping the stud or breaking it due to the cuts the speed nuts make in the soft zinc or aluminum. Hateful, but you gotta use 'em -

Steve

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Restoration / Re: wiper motor restoration
« on: Today at 04:11:34 AM »
No problem whatsoever. Smart to buy your Pacer when you did - I looked for a good while to find the one I wanted (I've owned my '69 Z since '73, always wanted a Pace Car to go with it. Looked at what seemed like 100 cars until I found this one, a Southwest Zone car sold through a Houston dealership, Southwest car all it's life until I bought it). Some of the ones I looked at were Flintstonemobiles, with trees growing up through the floorboards. No lie -

Good/bad part about the Z - open headlight car, not an RS. Pros and cons both ways -

Regards,
Steve

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Restoration / Re: wiper motor restoration
« on: Today at 03:16:33 AM »
Picking my brain won't take very long, I assure you -

Hopefully I can relate what I've learned after dealing with these motors since buying my Pace Car in '94. Only options at that time were used units, no reproduction of any valve and coils at all. I searched high and low for pieces and parts, even attempted to have the valve reproduced by an injection molder, which proved too costly for me to undertake (mold was $20K +). I still have a GM produced print of the valve, but the current reproductions are really good and not very expensive as things go. Features and material colors are pretty darn close -

I use the original bolts for the motor housing - they were oxide finish, and painted with the housing, not zinc finished that I've ever seen ( I bead blast mine and paint with the motor). Crown of the original bolt is about half the height of the ones in your pic. Coils were batch dated; Heartbeat's dates are good, although the fonts are incorrect (if the pic I've included is clear enough, the October date on my coil is an original GM ink stamp). There is a pick of one of the 2 NOS GM coils I have to show what  the manufacturer stamped on the coil end frame - they were dated as well. I think the repops have caught up with that.

The best way to tell if the gearcase has been rebuilt is to look at the "rivets" holding the case halves together - they have 4 tabs bent back to lock the halves together, very difficult to close them up and separate the case without damaging the tabs. If the field coils and armature of the motor are reused, the only other things to consider are the brushes as a wear part. You gotta consider these are tough little motors, and even in rainy climates were not used every time the car was driven - most used motors still have a good service life left.

As I said before, I think your unit looks good, just a couple of cosmetic changes and I think you'll be all set. Hope I haven't caused you any duress - I apologize if that's the case.

Regards,
Steve

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Restoration / Re: wiper motor restoration
« on: October 18, 2021, 05:41:05 PM »
Looks pretty good, don't forget the tag. Coil bracket should be zinc dichromate, labeled with GM part number, manufacturer and date of production and assembly date coded. Motor screws are new and appear to be a larger head than originals. Not being critical, just suggesting, as I don't know what your level of restoration needs are.

Regards,
Steve


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General Discussion / Re: repop parts
« on: October 18, 2021, 05:19:21 PM »
I know the CRG does not encourage politicizing on this site, so I'll make this comment as apolitical as I can. Until we stop sending so much of our manufacturing out of this country, logistical problems like this will always loom on the horizon. "Globalization" has led many of our wholly American based companies to look outside of our borders for cheap labor rates, and little or no import duties to make up for the jobs lost here as a result. Over my career (45 years and still working) of dealing with machined components of just about all material types, I've watched the decline and loss of manufacturers in stamping, injection molding, cold heading, steel, iron, aluminum, and superalloys automotive, aerospace and general component machining, even wood working and textile manufacturing to Mexico and the Orient in ever increasing numbers. Add the pharmaceuticals and electronics, and it gets even worse. Either we start bringing back those jobs (unlikely ?), or we become a service based economy, which already has 10 million job openings nationwide. Sound familiar ?

Just my opinion -

Steve 

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Originality / Re: 09B SS Camaro Rally Wheel search
« on: October 17, 2021, 01:46:58 AM »
What's weird about them ? Wheel code, date ? Care to share some pics ?

Steve

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General Discussion / Re: Camaro 12 bolt shipping
« on: October 15, 2021, 02:53:33 AM »
There is one more alternative you might explore - several years ago I was looking for a transport service to bring my dad's '49 3100 back to TN from TX - I went through a brokerage I found advertised in Hemmings; they posted the particulars on a board that goes out to independent transporters, who wind up looking at schedules and bid on the contract to transport. I had tried to contact a few sources directly, could not get a decent quote or even a response until I decided to broker it. Took a couple of weeks, but well worth it - total charge was about $600.00. The carrier picked up the truck (not running, too !) at my dad's place in TX, brought it right to my driveway. Turns out the guy and his wife lived here in TN, they transport vehicles all over the country. A good friend of mine did the same with a big John Deere from PA to TN - even brought implements with him. There are a lot of carriers around that will do parts as well as vehicles -

Regards,
Steve

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General Discussion / Re: repop parts
« on: October 12, 2021, 02:47:53 AM »
Gary,

I think we may be down to one manufacturer now - all likely from the Taiwan source. Price ranges from $89 to $109, all appear to be painted black. The Classic Industries set has the best description, appears to be semi-gloss; you can always refinish a set to get closer to the original (at least they are still available !)

Regards,
Steve

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Maintenance / Re: 68 camaro rs/ss Speedo cable routing and replacement
« on: October 12, 2021, 02:09:59 AM »
Is your Muncie original to the car ? #1 question -

Steve

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Restoration / Re: Harrison radiator restoration
« on: October 12, 2021, 02:04:20 AM »
Eckler's shows them:

https://www.ecklers.com/camaro-harrison-radiators-show-quality-correct-33-321638-1.html

Oldparts.com has 4 core manual "A" body radiators they say are completely correct (rails and cores, brackets) for around $750. Pic looks really good, too -

One of these days I'll send mine to Glen-Ray, when I can access my 401K, pension or home equity (i've got 4 manual trans radiators to spruce up, from Nova to Z to L78). Thank goodness the rails. brackets and tanks are originals and intact.

Regards,
Steve

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General Discussion / Re: Camaro 12 bolt shipping
« on: October 12, 2021, 12:31:39 AM »
Contact Fastenal Logistics and get a quote. They have a palleting requirement, hopefully the 12 bolt fits within the max size (unless they've changed). They're about the best bulk freight shippers around in terms of cost and convenience - they go store to store only (there's a blue jillion of them across the country); you deliver to the closest store to you, and they'll deliver to the store closest to your purchaser. Otherwise, you'll have to pick and choose from the LTL shippers.

Regards,
Steve

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General Discussion / Re: repop parts
« on: October 09, 2021, 01:03:45 AM »
Speaking of AIR pipes, are they available for '69 Z28's??   What is the source for the best ones, Or are they all made by the same company?



Gary,

'69 Z and '69 BB pipes are still available from several vendors - PartsPlace, Central, Ecklers among others. Since pricing seems pretty close between the vendors, you can't rule out a single manufacturing source. That was likely the cause of the '68 pipes blinking out - when they went, everyone ran out at the same time. I managed to buy what I think was one of the last sets available from Year One - the only place I could find it as a stock item. They had one set -

If you need a set, I'd suggest getting one while they are around, pricing starts at about $89.00 for the set (see the link). Look for the ones listed with the oxide or Parkerized finish rather than HT paint - closest to OE IMO.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/271240398503?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

Regards,
Steve

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General Discussion / Re: repop parts
« on: October 08, 2021, 04:31:06 AM »
I think if you couple this with the fact that the restoration hobby is shrinking perceptably, in that there are fewer cars every year to restore (at least the ones we favor), added with the lack of newer inductees to the hobby and the steady loss of the older generations, and the sources begin to dry up. Example - several years back, you could find reproduction AIR tubes for '68 small blocks and/or '68 Z28 applications everywhere. Tried to find those lately ? Made from unobtanium. Need Sealed Power 11:1 forged 327 pistons ? Better hurry. Some things are already pretty scarce.

I believe it's going to be a lot worse than we expect in the short term. Manufacturers are having extreme problems finding and keeping employees, material flow is horrible, low volume production items get cut quickly or obsoleted, maybe never to return. I'm not a pessimistic person, but the alarm bells are going off. If you need it, can aford it, and can find it, better stockpile it.

JMO -

Steve 

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor...non-OE rivets
« on: October 07, 2021, 02:54:43 AM »
Statement by the owner or rep for the car stated the trim tag had been removed during restoration and re-installed (no joke !), but the VIN tag had never been removed from the car. Strange to see the Pop Rivet stem still in the hole on the passenger side rivet, which have been installed wrong side up anyway. Trim rivets look like WWll Tiger tank exhaust shield rivets, not that I've ever seen any. 

Bet you it still brings a faii amount - tough to resist a big block vert, especially by people that could care less about whether things are on the legal up and up. Shame -

JMO -

Steve

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1969 - Orphans / Re: 19N608287 DZ block on facebook marketplace
« on: October 03, 2021, 09:19:52 PM »
Gone by the time I tried to see it, was it a Norwood or VN VIN ? Well within the time frame for an above-the-filter partial VIN code, could have been a machine shop stamping during a rebuild, but the deck surface looks a bit too smooth overall by my opinion. Gone for now -

Regards,
Steve


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