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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Comments on 69 numbers - any other locations
« on: July 19, 2018, 05:06:48 PM »
The block assembly date/suffix stamp surface has been altered to appear that it has broach marks.  Looks to me like a fresh stamping from the photo.  Just go find an old engine that is not collectable to see what they are supposed to look like.  Nobody ever re stamps a non-collectable engine.

The Engine and Transmission VIN derivative stamps were both done at the same time with the same tool as the 2 pieces were being prepared for installation on the factory assembly line.  If the two stamps do not match each other, it is unlikely they were stamped together in the usual way.  Add to that the missing digits, and it looks even more likely that one or both are not original. 

Folks around here are shy about giving too many details away but these are pretty obvious.

Decoding/Numbers / Re: Comments on 69 numbers - any other locations
« on: July 19, 2018, 12:34:04 PM »
Not necessarily...

This VIN derivative block stamp does not look to be normative practice.  If it is "possible" that it could happen some other way, then please enlighten me.

That block date suffix stamp is obviously not original.

General Discussion / Re: 1969 Grand Prix Pace Car For Sale
« on: July 19, 2018, 12:25:56 PM »
Looks like the one Camaro Specialties owned and restored, it was listed on their website.
Edit: Discussed a while back at TC:

Thats what I was guessing.  I do not have anything to add on the car.

Decoding/Numbers / Re: Comments on 69 numbers - any other locations
« on: July 18, 2018, 12:17:17 PM »
The VIN derivative stamp on the side of the block has to be identical to the transmission VIN derivative stamp as they were both done at the same time with the same tool setup. 

General Discussion / Re: 1969 Grand Prix Pace Car For Sale
« on: July 18, 2018, 12:09:11 PM »
Anybody know who did resto? 

Originality / Re: 1969 camaro 307 1 owner car ?
« on: July 15, 2018, 02:36:54 PM »
The vehicles were assembled in two phases.  The X-codes were used at the Fisher Body side of the vehicle assembly plant to help them figure out exactly how to paint the body, exposed metal parts of the interior and what trim pieces need to be used - just on the shell.  The front clip was not prepared or installed at this time.  The X-codes were not used to nail down the SS or Z/28 options by Fisher but only to instruct the first part of the construction before the vehicle was sent to the second phase of assembly.  Fisher did not need to know if it was a Z/28 or SS but they did need to know how to paint and dress the back half of the body shell. 

The Chevrolet assembly plant was the second phase where all the major pieces were attached to the Fisher prepared body shell. The Chevrolet side is where the broadcast sheets (bill of materials) included much more vehicle specific information/options combinations.  The front clip was prepared and installed separately in the second phase of assembly. 

Today we are using the X-codes to backward engineer the evidence of a cars possible original configuration.  Some X-codes apply to several different possible optional combinations while some codes are very specific because they only have a limited number of applications.  If you see X-33 it has to be a Z/28 with added chrome trim because that is the only car shell that looked like that.  The trunk lid needs stripes added and no other possible configuration exists with those stripes.  If the trim code is X-77 it needed Z/28 stripes without any additional chrome trip option.  No other option package would have a shell like that so it is a unique x-code.  The X-11 does not apply only to one specific option package so the code applies to multiple possible applications.  Could not be an SS and could not be for a Z/28 because those shells were dressed differently by Fisher.  X-11 or X-44 are more "generic" than other codes.  SS-396 has a X-22 or X-66 because it needed a black painted tail panel that was unique to the SS-396.  If customer wanted the extra chrome trim on a SS-396, there was a unique Fisher code for that. It does not apply to any other body shell preparation. 

Originality / Re: 1969 camaro 307 1 owner car ?
« on: July 11, 2018, 12:29:27 PM »
I would not be concerned about the level of molestation.  It has a flat hood, and 307 emblems, and frost green.  No dazzling SHP super-rare anything on the surface.  Cant have a 12 bolt, or dual exhaust, or SS equipment so no worries there.

A solid, base V8 '69 Camaro is what it is.  Price is right, and the one owner thing is pretty cool too. Look for rust in the usual places but remember, this is a '69 Camaro.

Hurry up and grab it before someone does.  You have no idea how much excitement you will get when you drive this car around.  It's going to be like a 1 car parade.  People will want to talk your ears off about it wherever you park it.

Garage Talk / Re: Measurement Tools
« on: July 05, 2018, 05:43:33 PM »
I have one and use it a lot.  No regrets. It is not digital, just old school with mechanical dial.

Have a dial indicator and magnetic base from them too.  Good for degreeing cams and such.

Decoding/Numbers / Re: 67 ss 350 block on ebay
« on: July 04, 2018, 01:25:08 PM »
I think the VIN font looks wrong.  The head gasket usually leaves marks but I don't see that.  Date spread is hard to justify.  Exactly where was that block sitting unused for months on end?

See it in person before paying for the numbers.  I would not make a trip to see the numbers based on what we see here.

General Discussion / Re: Space Saver Spare
« on: June 30, 2018, 04:48:16 PM »
Just in case it matters.....Not correct for a Z/28 and will not fit the front disk brake calipers.

General Discussion / Re: alternator
« on: June 06, 2018, 12:23:58 PM »
Bet Jerry could fix it.

General Discussion / Re: Kick Panel Speakers - spacer
« on: June 04, 2018, 12:48:59 PM »
Very tight space there. Cutout needs to be exact. Not a lot of depth either.  I bought repro replacement speakers and I think the spacers came with them. Not positive, it has been some time. 

If nobody else comes up with a template, I could make one. Just PM me if needed.

Restoration / Re: Upper A-arm Splash Shields
« on: June 03, 2018, 01:06:41 PM »
I have seen those thin ones and you just have to laugh at them.  The thicker ones I think came from D&R but that was a long time ago.  Worth a call before ordering. The staples are a pain to say the least but it helps to have an extra set of hands to do it.

Mild Modifications / Re: NOS Engine
« on: June 02, 2018, 12:39:09 PM »
If the gear is not flush with the crank land, it is not on far enough. Be sure the beveled side of the gear bore is facing the inside of the engine.

General Discussion / Re: Trans Shifting Issue
« on: June 02, 2018, 12:34:35 PM »
The clutch free play is supposed to be 1" at the pedal, measured with finger pressure.  If you adjust it with 1.5" of free travel it will not be releasing all the way and it will be difficult to get into reverse.  Fix that first adjustment and see if it helps.

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