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Garage Talk / Re: MCACN 2017
« on: January 18, 2018, 04:41:08 PM »
The very low quantity (602) for '67 Z28's made that one a little bigger deal than the higher volume later ones... but it never hurts to try... :)

Mild Modifications / Re: Tri-Power 427 fit under 69 SS hood?
« on: January 18, 2018, 04:39:40 PM »
Good post, and interesting topic and project you have going there!  :)    I, for one, would love to see some photos of what you are doing as you progress... and the YouTube videos you referenced would be a good addition... (I've always just rebuilt per the Service/Overhaul manuals...).

Originality / Re: 69 Z28 carb fuel line bracket.
« on: January 18, 2018, 04:37:07 PM »
Anybody commenting on the 26 buck repop? My car does not have one but I like the looks. Would it have came on the L78 as well?

It's not clear to me that the bracket does very much??  maybe it supports the rear of the fuel line/distribution block, but it doesn't seem to be much weight on the fitting above regardless.... maybe they were getting complaints of that rear fitting 'leaking' fuel??

Originality / Re: 69 Z28 carb fuel line bracket.
« on: January 18, 2018, 03:42:19 PM »
the earliest I've seen anyone report on in our CRG discussions is around May or June '69...  even though the drawing shows it for late '68...   JohnZ responded to that (seeming) discrepancy in one of his posts on those threads, stating that the change didn't go into production at the drawing approvals, but at another point (and I can't recall the exact words he used so I won't try).. :)

Garage Talk / Re: Englishtown ends drag racing....
« on: January 17, 2018, 05:04:25 PM »
I've no idea either, but noise abatement (and local homes/etc), is the main reason many dragstrips have closed...

Garage Talk / Englishtown ends drag racing....
« on: January 17, 2018, 02:51:56 PM »
I've never been there, but I've heard so much about it over the years from many people.  I think there are a few here on CRG who have mentioned racing there...

General Discussion / Re: A First Generation Camaro LEGACY ?
« on: January 16, 2018, 05:20:20 PM »
Darryl wrote:  (in part)...
"...  this is a HOBBY.  If you allow it; it will become a job and will no longer be enjoyable.  Think you had the right idea in a previous post about being out in the driveway sanding on the tri-five with the kids.  That is where it really counts. "

I agree 100% ...    :)     

Originality / Re: 67 Convertible SS/RS horn.
« on: January 16, 2018, 04:37:45 PM »
Thanks for the replays.   I've read the CRG article on horns and it doesn't specifically say if the single horn is a high note or a low note.   I will pull my horn off and try the WD-40 trick.   

Does anybody know why GM only put one horn on RS Convertables?   

Thnx,  ~~joe

I was going to suggest for you to go back and READ the section referenced again.  I just did and it makes perfect sense to me (and answers your question)...  The first sentence stated "As standard equipment, all 1967-1969 Camaros had two aluminum diecast horns made by Delco-Remy."   AND it provides information (PN's, stamping, etc) which lets you identify WHICH horn you have.  DO the work man!  (PS.  and please post a followup and let us know what you find out).. :)

General Discussion / Re: A First Generation Camaro LEGACY ?
« on: January 16, 2018, 04:21:44 PM »
Figure out what you want to include in the database/archive/registry...  Which could include nothing but the VIN and the owners name (and major options/color/trim/etc...possibly)?  Or it might be more, but as you try to include MORE, your problems increase and the owner's hesitancy to provide the data increase as well.

I have a 42 MByte file I've been developing for the past 10 yrs.  Initially it only included the major items:  VIN, info from the cowl plate, data from the engine, trans, etc.. and some historical information as to when I purchased it, who from, and the state of the car when I purchased it.  After I found/registered on CRG, each time a new 'topic' came up, I'd check my car and make notes and/or photos of that part on my car.   As a result of my desire to keep the car original, and thru my involvement with those on CRG, I've now included photos and notes on essentially everything we've discussed (from my car).  I keep the photos included in the *printable* file small enough to fit in a 1/4 page but make sure the 'info' is obvious (on my computer, I keep the large highest resolution files in case I need to refer to them).  When I rebuilt my brakes, I took photos of the calipers, dates, etc.. wheel cylinders, the original rear brake shoes/hardware (which I retained).  When I replaced the soft parts (rubber brake lines) I retained and photographed the originals (due to Steve Shauger's suggestion to do so).   I would not pass along ALL of the information I've gathered to such a registry; it would only be passed to the 'next owner' if I'm alive when that happens.. :)

BUT.. I would pass along relevant information (dates, codes,etc) to such a registry if we arrive at a reasonable level of information that the folks here on CRG are agreed to.  In fact, over the last 10 yrs, I have included info and photos of the parts from my car in CRG threads when it was useful to answer a question or help another CRG member.

I don't know if this helps you, or not, but FWIW, this is what I've done on a personal level.

General Discussion / Re: A First Generation Camaro LEGACY ?
« on: January 16, 2018, 04:15:35 AM »
The data produced by the report Jerry produces is *owned* by the person who contracted him to do it (normally the owner of the car), UNLESS Jerry has some clause in his 'contract' with them that states that 'Jerry now owns the contents of the report on the owners car'.   ie.  If you contract with someone to do a service for you, providing acess to/information from something you own, ownership of that information does NOT pass to the service provider.   Without requesting/receiving right to pass along that data from the owner, Jerry could not provide you all his data even if he wanted to do that.

Austin:  IMO... You're getting TOO far reaching with your aspirations.   Any information provided to you should come from the owner(s) of the vehicles, and once that was provided, you or some expert could 'assess' that information.   Back up a bit, go back to your original goal statement..  to develop a *limited* data base to serve as a 'First Gen' Camaro Registry.  it's always going to be limited to data on the cars submitted to you by their owners.   It's going to be limited due to a number of reasons:  1) How many HUNDREDS of thousands of first gen Camaros were built??  2)  It's been more than 50 yrs since they were produced and many are GONE, or trashed..  3) Many owners just consider them 'old cars' and couldn't care about your 'registry'.   We who are on CRG (and maybe Team Camaro) are the MOST interested re Camaros.. and compare our numbers to those total numbers of cars to get what I'm trying to say.   1967 Z28s are probably the only model/yr that had a small enough quantity to *maybe* generate a decent registry, and even that is nearly impossible to ever get a full listing.

General Discussion / Re: A First Generation Camaro LEGACY ?
« on: January 13, 2018, 11:22:37 PM »
I agree that all models should be accommodated, knowing that less desirable models will more than likely be less populated with less data.

30 to 40+ yrs ago, the 'fake Z28s'  99% consisted of adding badges to a Camaro; there may have been some 'better' fakes back then, but I never came across one.  I'm sure today the 'fakes are much better prepared (partly due to our gathering the necessary data for them).

All such a data base could do would be accumulate/gather the data as provided by the owners with notations as to what is *missing* or questionable.  Having a single person/organization inspect all the cars is impossible, although certainly having data from a viable inspection would be good data to have for the cars that had it.

Maybe a more feasible suggestion for Austin and others who desire to promote such a database would be to coordinate with CRG and volunteer to collect and provide the data collected into the CRG database..

General Discussion / Re: A First Generation Camaro LEGACY ?
« on: January 13, 2018, 08:08:00 PM »
If you want to get the CRG owners/admins on your side, you need to figure out a nice clean way to make it 'complementary' to CRG and it's data, and not an alternative..  I doubt that anyone 'opposes' what you would like to do, but then a lot of us have 'seen a lot' in our years, and while maybe we aren't skeptical, about some things we are 'skeptics' until we see more information and plans.  Talk to Kurt and other CRG members and find out what they think; if they think such a database would/could be complementary to what CRG is already doing.   If you work at it... you'll find a way... :)

General Discussion / Re: A First Generation Camaro LEGACY ?
« on: January 13, 2018, 04:45:41 AM »
This effort needed to start decades ago, the gennie is out of the bottle (clones) and can never be contained.

That's a good example (Shelby American club)...  A friend who is a renowned Cobra/Shelby expert and nut recently wrote me this when I sent him the link to the BBC video on Shelby:

"Thanks, its a pity that most of the "Cobras" shown in modern videos and pictures in this segment are recreations or replicas.

- 1962-1969 = 998 chassis of all variants, Cobra, 427 Cobra, and 289 Sports
- estimated original VINs now used in mostly or complete recreations since the 1980s = 100
- estimated originals VINs now used on chassis reconstructed from parts or at least some original
   something 200
- estimated number of chassis of any source claiming an original chassis number something like  1030
- estimated number of replicars in any variant combine from 350 makers is something like 60,000
   and growing every month"

Garage Talk / 59 minute BBC video on Shelby and the Cobra
« on: January 12, 2018, 03:53:45 PM »
One of my buddies just sent me this link to a BBC video which I'd never seen.. Finally having an hour to watch it thru, I LOVED it (being a car nut), and I have a good friend who owns two early Cobras...

General Discussion / Re: Pair of ZL1 COPO's... at Auction.. :)
« on: January 12, 2018, 03:48:21 PM »
Wow...  and if the buyer keeps them together until he sells them as a pair, he'll probably make $$ too...

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