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Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1969 COPO cowl tag

« on: February 22, 2022, 01:08:18 PM »

The seller rating is all you need to know to see that a night in Vegas is probably a better bet on getting a reputable represented car.

Streetside is a big consignment dealer. Most of the bad feedback is from buyers trusting the sellers description and buying the car sight unseen or buying online and someone else buys the same car in person before they close the deal.

I have visited their showrooms. They have some great cars and some cars that are not as real as represented by the person consigning. It's buyer beware as usual.

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General Discussion / Re: Silver '69 Z/28 on Bring a Trailer

« on: February 21, 2022, 02:33:43 PM »

In 2004, someone was looking at purchasing a 1969 Z28 and said that the replacement POP only had limited information and he could not verify that it was originally a Z28:

https://www.camaros.net/threads/replacement-protect-o-plate.22637/

CRG members William and JohnZ replied that the replacement POP only contained limited information.

Second owner POP's had no drivetrain info on them. They had the current mileage when sold and also had a #2 for second owner

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General Discussion / Re: Silver '69 Z/28 on Bring a Trailer

« on: February 21, 2022, 02:28:58 PM »

Not in the db.

Seems like a decent car for the most part. But, I have to wonder about the early head rests and the 6/7 tach. Grill reinforcement is missing, park brake cable brackets also missing.

The pics show the car was sold in 1971 and the buyer applied for transfer of the warranty. I have never seen a replacement protect-o-plate that had the drivetrain stampings listed.

The POP shown looks like the original sale POP, not a second owner POP. It has the original sale date and owner name on it. Kind of silly to block out the name as it's on the paperwork shown in another image.

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Originality / Re: 1968 RS rocker panel molding holes in rear quarter

« on: February 20, 2022, 09:00:50 PM »

My 68 is the same. I used a threaded clip for the small hole, same as the threaded clip for the ends of the door piece. Had to remove the door jamb vent to access. I used the push in clips for the large holes, same as the other clips in the door piece. The clip kit did not come this way, but I had a couple clip kits to use parts from.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro body tag?

« on: December 08, 2021, 04:57:59 PM »

"Lets put some dings and scratches on this new tag so it doesn't look so new"

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Restoration / Re: Value of 1968 RS?SS When Changing Color

« on: July 25, 2021, 02:12:21 PM »

I also prefer the D90 over the D91 on a 68 even if not date correct. It just doesn't have a cool nick name like bumble bee or hockey stick.

Sometimes the wrong stripe just looks bad. Here is a good example of a bad stripe job:

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Restoration / Re: Value of 1968 RS?SS When Changing Color

« on: July 24, 2021, 08:33:37 PM »

Cool, Green Jan 68 gets the White Hockey 68 style stripe?

Hockey stripe is a 69 only thing. 1968 D90 stripe is different. There is a pretty good explanation under Exterior here on CRG.

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Restoration / Re: Value of 1968 RS?SS When Changing Color

« on: July 22, 2021, 01:48:29 PM »

upon further consideration and in preparation for the body shop I removed all the exterior trim and door panels and found some of the original color ZZ British Green under the moldings and door panels. I decided to repaint it in it's original color. The car was manufactured in January of 1968.  When I removed the tail lights and the fuel filler neck the rear panel was a semi gloss black finish. It's also going back that way. When i got the car the engine was missing, however all of the rest of the drivetrain is still with the car. I found a numbers correct 396 engine which is going into the car. Just a shame the original motor is gone.

British Green was popular that month as it was just introduced as a standard color. Before that Z could have been special paint which is why I asked the production date.

Numbers correct means different things to different people. It sounds like you found what I call a period correct engine. If it's close in date and a Camaro suffix on the pad, even better.

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Originality / 1968 Camaro Saginaw Factory 4 speed test car

« on: July 12, 2021, 05:31:15 PM »

Saw this on the Facebook and thought it was interesting. Apologies if it is a known car, I did a quick search and did not see it.


1968 rally sport GM four speed test car A executive that worked at the Saginaw transmission plant owned a new car dealership he ordered the Camaro threw his dealership had it shipped to the transmission plant as a four speed test car after the transmission plant was done Testing the car he sold it back to his dealership that’s how the car got out GM rules was to crush all test cars The dealership sold it to Debbie Gray she quit driving out when she couldn’t shift it any more no because the linkage got bad she parked the car in the barn on their farm in 1978 until I got it’s 327 Saginaw 4 speed bed numbers matching Grecian green it did have a white vinyl top but at the time didn’t have it in my heart to put it on thought it was too ugly but easy fix if somebody wants the white vinyl top on this is one truly one of one barn find have not seen another GM 4 speed test car have all the documentation to back it up Thank you for any interest in the car The real price is 160  thousand OBO

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor...tag swap?

« on: July 04, 2021, 04:47:32 PM »

Sounds like a lot but that works out to about 12 cancelled orders per dealership in 1969. Camaros sold well, dealers wanted deep inventory to sell from. So they ordered more than the plants could build. This is from a Zone letter dated November 6, 1968.

There were of course other reasons; incorrect orders, customer cancellations. The data I have to work with reveals several large gaps in body numbers, which was also the dealer order confirmation. Appears on several occasions, they cancelled thousands of confirmed orders. I believe a similar situation occurred with the C8 Corvette launch.

Thanks, that's very interesting. The new Bronco launch is having problems as well, but they are not cancelling orders, just delaying based on what parts they are short of.

Is there any data on how many Z/28's where made per month? I suspect when they increased the supply of engines for that option, the orders followed and production numbers increased. I have also noticed over the years of DZ engine stamping posts, that they seem to be made in batches with the same or close dates.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor...tag swap?

« on: June 27, 2021, 12:45:39 PM »

Beyond that, there were typically far more orders than the plants could build. For the normal '69 model year, Chevrolet cancelled 77,000 confirmed orders.

Were these dealer orders or customer orders? If there were 77,000 more customers than cars, I suspect there would have been bidding wars or price gouging or ADM and no cars on the dealer lots, but I have never heard of any of that happening back then.

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Restoration / Re: Value of 1968 RS?SS When Changing Color

« on: June 23, 2021, 06:09:40 PM »

Are you sure the original color was British Green? Whats the production date of your car?

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro body tag?

« on: June 03, 2021, 12:49:33 PM »

This is a newer reproduction with some of the previous errors corrected.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor...block stamp

« on: May 14, 2021, 06:25:02 PM »

Does the NCRS not care if a car is real as represented? Or is this a bs line also?

NCRS only supplies the shipping report. The document below it is not part of the the NCRS report. It's just an owner typed up document. Means nothing.

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Originality / Re: Van Nuys 69 Camaro TR slash 712

« on: May 13, 2021, 02:59:42 PM »

Has anyone ever see a slash between the TR and the interior code on a 69 Van Nuys Camaro before?
Was it by accident or does it indicate something special?

No one has ever seen an export Van Nuys Camaro tag before, so it's hard to say. I have never seen it on a domestic tag.